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The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by lern_too_spel »

throwaway6734 wrote: post #327
lern_too_spel wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The consensus is that Greenwald isn't a Russian agent. He's just stupid. His reporting has consistently had large and obvious errors at least since he was writing for Common Dreams.

This is a strong claim. Please provide evidence.

Strong claim? It's obvious to anybody who has read his work and is even a tiny bit familiar with the things he is reporting about.

https://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2013-06/prism-prob...

https://twitter.com/SamHarrisOrg/status/803464221786677248?s...

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by lern_too_spel »

colordrops wrote: post #339
lern_too_spel wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The consensus is that Greenwald isn't a Russian agent. He's just stupid. His reporting has consistently had large and obvious errors at least since he was writing for Common Dreams.

How would you compare his reporting to the likes of CNN and FOX?

Shep Smith and the news anchors at CNN at least do a reasonable job of reporting the news correctly (which Greenwald can't), though none of those does strong investigative journalism.

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by bbunix »

2 words: Jury Nullification.

"Jury nullification occurs when a trial jury reaches a verdict that is contrary to the letter of the law because the jurors either:

* disagree with the law under which the defendant is prosecuted, or

* believe that the law shouldn’t be applied in the case at hand."

https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/what-jury-nullificat...

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Post by no-s »

pcwalton wrote: post #354
resters wrote: post #310

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Also wapo is pretty much all political propaganda of some sort now. It’s been getting worse by the day since Bezos bought it for some reason.

Nonsense. The Washington Post remains one of the best publications in the US. I certainly trust it more than Russian propaganda outlets such as Wikileaks.

so was the information provided by wikileaks true, or false?

Re: The US Is Preparing to Prosecute Julian Assange

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Post by ryanlol »

toomanybeersies wrote: post #356
thanosnose wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But if "all a man is, is what others say of him," then by watching the news, Assange is just a Russian agent. One of the most interesting aspect of the assange story is how the news industry celebrated assange in the early part of the 2010s and then started to demonize him in the past few years. It was all so sudden as if someone flipped a switch and everyone got on the same message. It's also interesting how sexua…

Assange and Wikileaks have been demonised because they decided to release information in such a way as to deliberately influence an election. The DNC/Podesta leaks were timed specifically to cause maximum negative effect to Clinton and the Democrats. Then there's the lack of curation in some of the leaks. A lot of personal data that shouldn't be public by any means (e.g. medical information, sexual identity) has been…

>Assange and Wikileaks have been demonised because they decided to release information in such a way as to deliberately influence an election

Wikileaks has always been anti-US, when they finally manage to deliver a good punch they’re suddenly a bad actor?

> also can't help but feel like they've stopped being transparency campaigners and whistleblowers, and now do it for the social media spectacle and publicity. Just look at how they released Vault 7, with their viral cryptic posts before the release. Wikileaks feels more like a media agency than a group of transparency crusaders

Publicity brings more leaks. They’re simply doing a good job.

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Post by nyolfen »

uabstraction wrote: post #209
resters wrote: post #64

By doing this the US is coming to the aid of the many dictators and despots whose crimes Assange has helped reveal. Also, by ignoring the crimes revealed by the Iraq and Afghanistan war logs, the US makes it very clear that war-making cronies rule both parties and would never hold each other accountable for anything. To be clear, the war logs revealed that the US classified information solely because it revealed that…

Oh please. Spare me the hysterics. You don't even know what he is being charged with and you are crying up a river like this is the greatest travesty of justice ever in the universe. Get a grip. Being a journalist (and I'm using that term rather loosely here) does not give you blanket immunity to the law. You don't get to rob banks and cry that your freedom of speech is being violated when you get thrown in jail for…

what did assange do that is comparable to robbing banks? publishing classified information subject to the laws of a country he has never been to?

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Post by anarazel »

Looks like it already happened a few months back. Earlier today Seamus Hughes noticed an apparent copy&paste mistake in an independent court filing:

https://twitter.com/SeamusHughes/status/1063232297674162176

Which the WaPo just corroborated:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/julia...

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Post by FireBeyond »

thanosnose wrote: post #277
wallace_f wrote: post #237

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Like the Iraq Warlogs, or DWS scandal. Even leaks like the Stratfor files are certainly in the best interests of the "little guy," if anyone actually gives a shit about them. But if "all a man is, is what others say of him," then by watching the news, Assange is just a Russian agent.

> But if "all a man is, is what others say of him," then by watching the news, Assange is just a Russian agent. One of the most interesting aspect of the assange story is how the news industry celebrated assange in the early part of the 2010s and then started to demonize him in the past few years. It was all so sudden as if someone flipped a switch and everyone got on the same message. It's also interesting how sexua…

Come on.

If the best a state level actor can do to "bring down" a person, they'd most likely manage something more untoward than "had consensual sex with someone, but questionable consent over the use of a condom".

I think that more points to a narcissistic type, than a conspiracy on a state bent on character assassination.=

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Post by richardknop »

tootie wrote: post #134
paulpauper wrote: post #27

I never thought it would happen. He always seemed to stay a few steps ahead and he has plenty of of supporters and many countries that are hostile the US were willing to grant him asylum. I'm not sure how this would work. He would have to be kidnapped or given up.

He has successfully alienated anyone who ever supported him at this point.

Nonsense. Support for Assange in UK is very strong. Check any recent opinion polls. The same across Europe. Even in US he still has supporters though the propaganda machine has been mercilessly portraying hims as some dastardly Russian spy. Not everybody has bought that.

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Post by jstanley »

oh-kumudo wrote: post #357
c3534l wrote: post #330

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How does being free trade and open-borders not make you a globalist? Those are like the primary pillars of globalization.

I don't think there are many self-claimed libertarians actually voice for open-borders. It is just an extension of interpretation out of the theorists. Limited government doesn't mean a complete denial of necessary national governance. It can be easily argued that void of such governance isn't in the interests of those libertarian ideals.

Self-claimed libertarian here: I want open borders and free trade.
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