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EU approves internet copyright law, including ‘link tax’ and ‘upload filter’

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Post by logifail »

rocqua wrote: post #251
gutnor wrote: post #219

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> The real problem lies in the laws it relies on, namely the extremely stringent copyright laws and the weird fair use. Real problem is the negative incentive to be correct. The rule penalise you harshly if you serve copyrighted content, but there is nothing if you decide to not serve non-copyrighted content and there is so much content on the internet, that "market pressure" simply isn't going to work. If you are a…

> MEP are some of the most successful politicians, they would be Olympic level is it was a sport. I don't think so. I think MEPs are much closer to members of a state-congress in the US than member of congress. With the equivalent of a member of the US congress being a member of some national parliament. My criterium here is how fierce the campaign is to get elected. At the very least here in the Netherlands, the cam…

>> MEPs are much closer to members of a state-congress in the US than member of congress

What's the salary and expenses package like in a state congress?

"[..] expense payments of €4,416 per month are given to MEPs as a lump sum in addition to their regular pre-tax monthly salary of €8,611. They are not required to provide any proof of how the money is spent"

sources: http://www.europarl.europa.eu/meps/en/about-meps.html and https://www.politico.eu/article/european-parliament-corrupti...

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Post by kowdermeister »

zmmmmm wrote: post #235

This is such a great outcome for Google, they could not have gotten such a good outcome if they had bribed the legislators directly. They've essentially enshrined the infrastructure Google has already as a legal requirement for the bare minimum threshold to host a web site now. Google can sit back and stop worrying about there ever being competition from Europe now.

+1, they already comply, but if I were to launch something with UGC, I should probably host it in Afghanistan and back it by a company registered on the Moon.

> Google can sit back and stop worrying

Name one company from EU who have a slight potential to be a minor threat for (YouTube / Search)

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Post by beaconstudios »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #303
ericdykstra wrote: post #177

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I disagree, I think it's perfectly fine to want to leave the EU on principle. For example, the principle of not wanted to be ruled by unelected oligarchs who can pass laws like Article 13 which affect UK citizens.

Because having politicians work directly in the Tory part to serve the interests only of their rich donors, their partners, and themselves is so much better than being ruled by elected representatives and those chosen by those representatives (whom you call oligarchs) in Europe? Perhaps if we hadn't been fooling around trying to destroy the project for cooperation across Europe we could have taken part in making this…

your comment doesn't leave much room for nuance. You're just setting up a narrative of the Evil Tories who Eat Babies versus the Noble European Union and its Band of Merry Altruists. You must know that this absolutist duality is not an honest representation of reality.

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Post by brainwad »

dnate wrote: post #228
village-idiot wrote: post #84

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I think the newspapers forgot that Google doesn’t need them .

The issue is that we as a society need diverse and independent newspapers.

No we don't. I get my news from public broadcasters. They have the bonus of not pushing the owner's political agenda and being subject to public oversight.

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Post by Gaelan »

megous wrote: post #246
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #186

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Combining two videos in this way would be unlawful in the UK, where we have the very restricted "Fair Dealing" concessions, because downloading the videos in the first place is a tort[0]. Combining them is another, sharing them is another. We basically have no concept of personal use in our copyright. [0] if they were broadcast you can record but only for time-shifting, you can only watch once (alone!) and then are o…

Compare that to my country, where it's perfectly legal to download whatever music or movies you like from the internet for personal use, pirate websites or not. Also a western democracy. So it's not so bad everywhere. Though a price for this is that we pay a special tax on every storage device we purchase.

If you don’t mind, where is this?

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Post by fabricexpert »

tartrate wrote: post #201
fabricexpert wrote: post #137

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GDPR is TOTALLY different. If you can't run a business under GDPR legislation then what you're doing is almost certainly unethical or at worst mismanaged and irresponsible with customer data. On the other hand this legislation will completely change the internet as we know it.

For some companies, making the IT-related changes to accommodate for GDPR was simply too expensive.

Like what?

All you need is a privacy policy and the ability to delete / return customer data when requested. But that doesn't have to be in real time/automated, you can just set up an email address and respond manually. It's rare you'll even get a request if you're a company with such a small IT budget.

All the other things (double opt-in email, not contacting your customers in an unsolicited way) are process changes that can be implemented without IT cost.

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Post by redm »

I find it interesting that the conversation is mainly about fair use and not about false positives.

I've been working with filtering and fingerprinting technology for some time, and while its "pretty good", false positives happen frequently. Its a case of continual disappointment, even from the largest tech companies with the "best" technology. I expect that widespread "filtering" will equate to widespread non-fair use related false positives.

This law is going to work like the DMCA for many providers, carpet bomb everything and worry about the cleanup later.

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Post by brainwad »

bepotts wrote: post #364
lorenzobr wrote: post #108

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Exactly and tbh Google could just buy a newspaper and not give a shit about it. Many newspapers are rubbish and publish rubbish content anyway so that's the problem, not the copyright.

The EU would then fine Google for using their Search monopoly to dominate the News industry by promoting news article from the paper they bought.

And that would clearly be ridiculous (though believable that the EU would try). Are they going to fine Google for monopolising weather queries next? How about putting Casio out of business by abusing search monopoly to provide a free calculator?

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Post by bepotts »

zmmmmm wrote: post #235

This is such a great outcome for Google, they could not have gotten such a good outcome if they had bribed the legislators directly. They've essentially enshrined the infrastructure Google has already as a legal requirement for the bare minimum threshold to host a web site now. Google can sit back and stop worrying about there ever being competition from Europe now.

US tech giants haven't worried about competition coming from Europe for awhile now. They worry about competition coming from either within the country or China.

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Post by sparkzilla »

mosselman wrote: post #338
sparkzilla wrote: post #297

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A bit challenging to sue a project when it has no owners and no jurisdiction. PS: Jonathan Strange: Great books and even better TV.

Nor customers/users. The problem is that 'normal' people don't know how to use most distributed/encrypted/stick-it-to-the-man products, nor do they care.

'Normal' people already use distributed content: Google and Facebook's content is held in data servers all across the planet. The next stage is to distribute the governance of that content, which similarly, most users won't be aware of.
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