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Do you know about an instance where something like that already happened?
Which part? Not going after users or T&Cs that include a prohibition on reverse engineering? If the latter, yes this is pretty common.
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Oh come on, I chose not to read every word and view every image on a web page -- it's my attention, not theirs. I choose not to download large images or ads -- it's my browser, they are sending me the bits. And if I choose to run my own code in my browser why not?? Who's computer is it, after all?
> And if I choose to run my own code in my browser why not?? Who's computer is it, after all? In your moralistic mind or in the courts? Because idealists are not immune to laws they don't like any more than the rest of us. This arm chair idealism is getting ridiculous.
In the 90s the music industry tried to claim that the buffering data while playing music was making a copy of their data for which they should be paid or which they did not authorize. A few technically ignorant judges initially sided with this argument but it was eventually laughed away.
Your calling this "armchair idealism" makes me think you might be suffering from a legal system Stockholm syndrome.
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Slack is no longer for "hackers". It's mainstream now. My company of 500 with only 30 devs uses it. These are power moves by Slack. They want to have greater control over the communication medium and presentation If you thought they were ever going to support extensions of their IRC gateway for long, then you misunderstood their product and who their market was or rather who their market became
Out of curiosity, how do you feel about discord?
While I haven't seen any legal threats, they tend to threaten end users with bans (due to breach of ToS) for using third party clients, client modifications (like BetterDiscord), and "self-bots".
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> And if I choose to run my own code in my browser why not?? Who's computer is it, after all? In your moralistic mind or in the courts? Because idealists are not immune to laws they don't like any more than the rest of us. This arm chair idealism is getting ridiculous.
There is no law that bans me from running whatever code I want on my machines (except perhaps some sort of DDOS software). No law compiles me to download some link on the net. No law bans me from drawing a mustache onto a photo in a newspaper I buy. In the 90s the music industry tried to claim that the buffering data while playing music was making a copy of their data for which they should be paid or which they did n…
It's focused on simplifying Slack's interface so that it's easier to focus. It also only uses CSS and doesn't interact with Slack at all, so it is not against their terms of service.
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Which part? Not going after users or T&Cs that include a prohibition on reverse engineering? If the latter, yes this is pretty common.
I mean suing someone who created a web extension alleging reverse engineering is against ToS
Hey g3rv4 sorry to hear the news. Although I personally don't use slack, when I saw your last post (congrats on the double front page btw) I was super impressed by the stuff you'd added, sorry to see it go. So this seems rather unfortunate now but the first thought I had on reading your initial post was "wow, I wish he'd come and do some similar stuff for riot[1], but unless slack shut him down there's no chance." Ho…
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> My company of 500 with only 30 devs uses it. Same at my workplace. Slack is mostly used by the managers, all the devs avoid it. Even if you don't mind the proprietory protocol, the performance even on beefy machines is an absolute dumpster fire, that nobody wants to touch the app with a ten foot pole.
Its the opposite at my workplace. Mostly the developers use Slack. What do your devs use instead?
Others mentioned Mattermost, Discord, but really, there are so many viable options out there. See this list of 25+ alternatives for example: https://fleep.io/blog/best-slack-alternatives/
From cloud-based to self-hosted, open-source and commercial... As long as they integrate with the tools devs use, there will be devs who use it.
As a riot.im user, I hope it will become a bigger player in the open source space, I am a bit sick of slack for various reasons.