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Re: Facebook spamming users via their 2FA phone numbers

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Post by TomMarius »

tracker1 wrote: post #363
tracker1 wrote: post #352

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And android could sync my contacts through the cloud (google servers) to a new device and edit online, syncing the other way before iOS. What's the point?

Could whoever downvote explain? It's a feature that Android had first... The fact is, today, they both have Feature X, so debating who had what first doesn't add to a constructive argument was my point.

You asked for explanation and I did explain. You replied to me with something that could be seen as an attack. I don't know his point, I just explained his comment, that's all. I didn't downvote you though.

Re: Facebook spamming users via their 2FA phone numbers

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Post by frandroid »

tracker1 wrote: post #363
tracker1 wrote: post #352

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And android could sync my contacts through the cloud (google servers) to a new device and edit online, syncing the other way before iOS. What's the point?

Could whoever downvote explain? It's a feature that Android had first... The fact is, today, they both have Feature X, so debating who had what first doesn't add to a constructive argument was my point.

You're changing the topic.

Re: Facebook spamming users via their 2FA phone numbers

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Post by naravara »

dcow wrote: post #282
naravara wrote: post #236

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I love the argument that severely diminishing your capabilities and quality of life in relation to others equates to “freedom.”

Keep in mind if more people were proactive about their own digital landscapes, things like LineageOS and open source software would not seem like second rate diminished quality of life to people like you. Oh fuck it I was trying to be nice but this has got me going. In my opinion it's certifiably dillusional to think that Google and Facebook equate to a higher quality of life. Holy shit that's crazy. It's bonafide br…

>Keep in mind if more people were proactive about their own digital landscapes, things like LineageOS and open source software would not seem like second rate diminished quality of life to people like you.

If wishes were horses then beggars would ride. I prefer to deal with the world as it is rather than the world as I’d like it to be. Also keep in mind that if more people with proactive about their own digital landscapes, they’d be spending more time managing their platforms and less time doing the stuff they actually want to do. It’s solipsistic to think everyone should have YOUR preferred priorities and time allocation.

>idk what has you convinced that Facebook and Google equal better life

Not having to sound like a fussy prig anytime someone wants to get in touch with me is kind of a thing. Not having to have a “well actually, don’t you know that Facebook is bad!?” discussion whenever I meet someone new who wants to stay in touch with me, likewise. It’s like that old joke about “how do you know if someone does CrossFit/is vegan?”

“Real social interactions” means actually being able to participate in the social interactions where people are having them. I don’t know why you think being able to keep in touch with distant family via WhatsApp, or not not having to create extra steps for people who want to send me photos, or not needing to insist on a special process for inviting me to things are all valueless functions. What you’re proposing is like the equivalent of insisting, after the invention and mainstream adoption of the telephone, that people come to your house and drop off a visiting card if they want to speak with you.

Re: Facebook spamming users via their 2FA phone numbers

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Post by dang »

cwkoss wrote: post #137
joewee wrote: post #43

Problem is Facebook is still using the original revenue model that has made it rich, which requires engagement. Unfortunately they encourage engagement using the techniques that initially made it grow, which the market is now tired of. Facebook needs to diversify. Take a note from amazon, Netflix.

Engage on every sponsored post... but engage with it in a way that the advertisers will dislike. ex. Health product -> "I heard this product causes cancer."

I know you meant well, but please don't duplicate comments on HN. I'm sure that's why they were flagged.

The idea behind this site is intellectual curiosity. That shrivels under repetition.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Facebook spamming users via their 2FA phone numbers

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Post by koliber »

rorykoehler wrote: post #289
koliber wrote: post #238

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> In a normalised database there will only be one phone number for multiple uses. No! Normalization does not mean keeping only one copy of each piece of data, regardless of category and context. I see this behavior all the time in junior and even some senior devs, both in databases, and when they code. A piece of information has a type, but it also has a context. A 2FA phone number is different than a marketing conta…

I don't disagree with you on the type issue but you can see in a large organisation how this would easily fall through the cracks. It's also entirely plausible that an intern came up with the sms notification idea and it wasn't caught in code review. I don't really subscribe to Hanlon's razor but in this context I can understand how it could happen quite easily.

This is a type of error that is often found in code and data modeling. I haven't come across a name for it yet. It most definitely can and does fall through the cracks, in small, medium, and large organizations. It is a code smell and should be eliminated whenever it starts happening. However, it is often quite subtle, and a developer's ego is often stronger than the explanation for why it should not be done that way.

I shall dub it "Krystian's Overoptimistic Denormalization Error", or KODE for short.

Re: Facebook spamming users via their 2FA phone numbers

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Post by tracker1 »

TomMarius wrote: post #371
tracker1 wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could whoever downvote explain? It's a feature that Android had first... The fact is, today, they both have Feature X, so debating who had what first doesn't add to a constructive argument was my point.

You asked for explanation and I did explain. You replied to me with something that could be seen as an attack. I don't know his point, I just explained his comment, that's all. I didn't downvote you though.

If you look through the parents, I didn't ask for anything. Also, the point made was that iOS had features first... Android has had other features first... they've both had the feature in question long enough to be in place through several hardware refreshes (given an average ownership of 1-3 years), so the preference doesn't hold as much weight.

Re: Facebook spamming users via their 2FA phone numbers

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Post by tracker1 »

frandroid wrote: post #372
tracker1 wrote: post #363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could whoever downvote explain? It's a feature that Android had first... The fact is, today, they both have Feature X, so debating who had what first doesn't add to a constructive argument was my point.

You're changing the topic.

The post I replied to was effectively "iOS had features first" my reply was that "android also had features first" ... the point being that there have been enough hardware refreshes where the features in question are on both platforms reducing the weight of the argument.

Re: Facebook spamming users via their 2FA phone numbers

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Post by r053bud »

randycupertino wrote: post #249
r053bud wrote: post #48

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I just think you need to be cognizant of how Facebook is tracking you across websites as well. It's not just the information you have associated with your account, when you are logged into Facebook, you are tracked wherever you go. Now, there are certainly ways to limit this using plugins, etc.

Yikes- wow, even from my computer browser- not even from my cell phone? If I have facebook password autosaved, log in, check facebook, and close the window without logging out, is it still tracking me? Damn. I did NOT realize this.

I also recommend installing EFF's Privacy Badger extension. It shows you everything that is tracking you across the interwebs.

Re: Facebook spamming users via their 2FA phone numbers

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Post by Nition »

saguro wrote: post #157
SamLevin88 wrote: post #4

Finally, somewhere I can appropriately vent about this. About TWO years ago I was constantly annoyed by the 'secure your account: add your phone number here' banner frequently displayed at the top of the page upon loading FB, so I input my number to make it disappear for good. (Also, they kept hiding the 'x' (close) icon in different spots, making the banner difficult to dismiss.) A few days later I got a text messag…

That thing facebook does with demanding your phone number, that's my favorite dark pattern. Apple does the same thing with iOS upgrades. First you pose a seemingly innocent question, like 'would you like to give us your phone number so we can keep your account secure?' or 'would you like to upgrade to new iOS?'. Then you take away the NO option. You replace it with 'i'll decide later'. And by doing so, you make it no…

YouTube did that a while ago too, when they were trying to get everyone to make a Google+ account.

Websites also do that screen-covering style popup on load with the two options like:

   Yes I'd love to sign up
   I'll sign up later
Neither of those are my true answer of "no" and as dumb as it sounds I don't really like lying by clicking the "I'll sign up later". Their loss because I usually just close the site instead if the box doesn't close when I click outside of it.

There's the other type where they imply the user is an idiot for taking the "no" option, as in:

   Yes I'd love to sign up
   No, I hate great deals

Re: Facebook spamming users via their 2FA phone numbers

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Post by Normal_gaussian »

cja wrote: post #367
Normal_gaussian wrote: post #270

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We're just introducing the GDPR Europe wide which iterates on the member states existing privacy laws to provide definitive rights to any human in Europe, and obligations to any company dealing with their information. Abusing the 2FA number is likely illegal in most member states now, and is definitely so at the end of May.

Probably you mean EU when you say Europe

Absolutely, sorry- bad habit
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