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Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by wlesieutre »

dkersten wrote: post #295
petercooper wrote: post #58

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The biggest change I’m hoping for (but not expecting) is the ability to sort shared iCloud albums by time taken, not time added to the album. This isn't a criticism of you, but when a major OS update comes down to trivia like this, it seems a bit of a shame to me. I remember the 10.2-10.6 releases and just how significant they were and it feels like rearranging deck chairs in comparison nowadays.

I've been finding the same with iOS updates lately. iOS 11 has some nice improvements, imho, but they're not any major advancements, just the usual incremental improvements. Could have just called it iOS 10.4 and be done with it. That wouldn't be PR-friendly enough though.

If you have an iPad the iOS 11 update is huge. Being able to run two apps side-by-side with drag and drop supported across the system is a fundamental change to how you interact with stuff.

The new dock and changes to the multitasking interface and behavior take some getting used to, but my iPad feels like a much more powerful device than it did a week ago.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by manmal »

cpncrunch wrote: post #348
symlinkk wrote: post #154

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your filesystem will be automatically changed to APFS, no need to reinstall (Apple did this already with the iPhone as well)

Is this something that I want? My gut feeling is that I don't want a brand-new file system...

Sure, it has a lot of upsides, like copying of large files happening within an instant.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by marricks »

jayd16 wrote: post #358
tomp wrote: post #103

> Safari now uses machine learning to identify advertisers and others who track your online behavior, and removes the cross‑site tracking data they leave behind. > Safari now uses machine learning to identify advertisers and others who track your online behavior, and removes the cross‑site tracking data they leave behind I'm starting to like the business model of buying the product more and more. There was a recent t…

So how many decades are we going to hear about how bad it is that Google knows what kind of toothpaste I like and how important privacy is before we actually see a real world benefit? Can someone point to any situation in the past where the conclusion was "good thing the ads were less targeting to my interests!"

Groups that get more and more power pretty much never give up that power willingly. Google's NEED to understand your desires, track your behavior, and read your emails to sell more and better ads is them accumulating power.

So, even if you think Google will always have your best interests at heart, the governments they work with certainly don't. China could exploit their knowledge to target dissidents. Would Google do that? Perhaps, just censoring internet was anathema to Google in their early days, now Google respects Chinese censorship.

To be honest, I'm not comfortable with my own government knowing what I want to read online or what I say to my friends, let alone authoritarian ones. The future is pretty much already here on that one though as government already does.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by pjmlp »

bitmapbrother wrote: post #280
Tepix wrote: post #152

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Your typical Android phone calls home around 1200 times per day. Getting that number down to zero means making it pretty much unusable.

>Your typical Android phone calls home around 1200 times per day Do you have any proof to back up the claim?

I don't know how many times Google Maps calls home, but it does it often enough for Google to know where any Android user that hasn't explicitly disabled location tracking has spent each minute of his/her life.

The proof is easy obtainable on Google Maps location history.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by Aaargh20318 »

baldfat wrote: post #141
roblabla wrote: post #134

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And yet, microsoft started incorporating ads inside of windows 10. The business models helps, but if you can both sell a product and get ad revenue, why wouldn't you ? In apple's case, they have a fairly small but dedicated marketshare that cares deeply about those issue. That's why I trust them to not sabotage their product. Microsoft has a monopoly, they don't need to care.

> Microsoft has a monopoly How so anymore? There are clear paths to NOT use anything Microsoft if you want to. Microsoft even now has Linux offerings its a new era.

> There are clear paths to NOT use anything Microsoft if you want to.

For a lot of people there isn't.

Take my dad for example. He sells weight scales for retail (think butchers, greengrocers, cheese shops, etc). Those scales are pretty much embedded PC's nowadays, they connect to the internet and can be remotely accessed to update product prices, promotions, get the daily sales numbers but also things like changing the logos and text on the receipt and a million other things.

The manufacturers of those scales sell a piece of software to do that, but it's always a 100% Windows app, held together with all kinds of (outdated) MS technology like Visual FoxPro. Often they have licenses that require hardware dongles, have bizarre drivers to communicate with the hardware and it feels like it's al held together with spit and ducktape.

There is no Linux or OSS alternative, the protocols aren't even published and no one cares to reverse engineer them as the market is just tiny, and the target audience has no overlap with the techies that are interested in Linux and the like.

And that's just one example, there are tons of crappy, outdated, proprietary apps like that out there. Apps with tiny user bases no one cares about so no OSS options will ever emerge.

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Post by bocklund »

euyyn wrote: post #317
larkost wrote: post #292

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Google absolutely sells access to "digested" user information. While your first sentence is technically correct since they don't directly give anyone the data, it is misleading at best. Google is in the business of selling selective eyeballs to advertisers, and has been a pioneer in using user data to try and target those add impressions.

Google doesn't sell access to user information either, digested or not. I think it's misleading to say they do, "digestedly", or indirectly, or whatever.

Google sells advertisers a promise to show their ads for razors to males 18-30 years old who have ever searched for 'razors' or 'shaving' or 'beard' or 'shaving cream'.

Maybe they also look through your Google photos to find faces with beards... or check your email for references to beards or amazon orders with razors... and to show extra ads to people who live in the Portland area

Some people are more okay with the facts (top paragraph) and the possibly exaggerated version (previous paragraph) and others.

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Post by splicer »

jayd16 wrote: post #358
tomp wrote: post #103

> Safari now uses machine learning to identify advertisers and others who track your online behavior, and removes the cross‑site tracking data they leave behind. > Safari now uses machine learning to identify advertisers and others who track your online behavior, and removes the cross‑site tracking data they leave behind I'm starting to like the business model of buying the product more and more. There was a recent t…

So how many decades are we going to hear about how bad it is that Google knows what kind of toothpaste I like and how important privacy is before we actually see a real world benefit? Can someone point to any situation in the past where the conclusion was "good thing the ads were less targeting to my interests!"

Not exactly from the past, but how do you feel about this scene from Minority Report? https://youtu.be/7bXJ_obaiYQ

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by lolatlogan »

raesene6 wrote: post #126
tomp wrote: post #103

> Safari now uses machine learning to identify advertisers and others who track your online behavior, and removes the cross‑site tracking data they leave behind. > Safari now uses machine learning to identify advertisers and others who track your online behavior, and removes the cross‑site tracking data they leave behind I'm starting to like the business model of buying the product more and more. There was a recent t…

I agree, the good thing about Apple and Microsoft is I know what they want to sell me. Apple want me to buy relatively expensive devices on a regular basis and ideally a cloud subscription. Microsoft want me to buy subscriptions to their cloud services and ideally devices running their OS. In both cases the value for them is fairly clear and they have limited incentives to do anything that might jepordise those reven…

I've never thought about it this way. I was wanting to transition to using all Google products and services from Apple but might just further invest in Apple and start using their cloud service as opposed to Google's.

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Post by dep_b »

hungerstrike wrote: post #353
roblabla wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And yet, microsoft started incorporating ads inside of windows 10. The business models helps, but if you can both sell a product and get ad revenue, why wouldn't you ? In apple's case, they have a fairly small but dedicated marketshare that cares deeply about those issue. That's why I trust them to not sabotage their product. Microsoft has a monopoly, they don't need to care.

This is the most petty complaint about Windows that I've heard because every consumer-oriented OS has these type of "advertisements". Heck, on iOS not only am I forced to look at apps that I don't want, I am also forced to use them ! On the Macintosh OS, whenever I want to see what updates are available, I have to first look at the featured apps in their store. Even Ubuntu installs a shit-load of crappy programs that…

A part is removable, the rest you can hide. The ones you cannot remove are usually the ones the iOS SDK's are built on top of like Map Views or Web Views.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by wlesieutre »

baby wrote: post #139

I love that they feature the HTC Vive for Virtual Reality. Looks like they understood what was the best headset :) I've been actively looking into developing games for the Vive, anyone has tried doing that on a macbook pro?

It would work fine, but compile times are obvious slower than a desktop with a better CPU. High Sierra adds official support for external GPUs on thunderbolt and you'll definitely need one.

Apple sells an enclosure (Sonnet's) with an RX 580. I thought this also came with a $100 Vive discount, but that promo must have ended.

https://developer.apple.com/development-kit/external-graphic...

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