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Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by mgkimsal »

Karunamon wrote: post #359
cyberferret wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a long time JIRA user who started using Phabricator last year for a side project (that has now become my main project). I didn't really have a major problem with JIRA, but we self hosted them on AWS, and the resource requirements of JIRA, Confluence, Fisheye etc. meant that we had to set up separate instances to stop them crashing all the time. Phabricator gives us the same functionality as all the Atlassian tool…

What the hell are people doing to their Jira instances that make them load that slowly? I've got a fairly busy instance at $dayJob with hundreds of users, 10+ addons, and some automation scripting, and it runs as fast as any webapp can be expected to. There was no explicit performance tuning happening here, either. 1 instance of Jira talking to 1 instance of MySQL behind 1 instance of nginx on a modest VM. I'm not do…

I dunno, but the hosted version has (imo) always been rather slow. It's felt faster in the last year or so, but definitely slower than most other tools I use (mostly redmine these days when not in jira).

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by 013a »

I have no faith in anything atlassian builds anymore. They've constantly burned enterprise customers. HipChat was a horrible product for its entire life. Jira is so slow I cannot fathom why anyone chooses it except that there are no competitors. The only advantage they have across their suite is that their products are pretty cheap.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by pat_space »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #281
x0x0 wrote: post #275

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The question is why one would trust Atlassian to make decent software this time when hipchat is such a POS. On a former team we were forced to use hipchat and their android client just nuked my battery. It was like night and day; remove the app and my battery lasts 24-30h; with it hipchat installed it would last 10 hours. This was a stock Nexus device btw.

I don't keep the client running all the time, but i do get notifications when I'm mentioned by name; haven't noticed any egregious problems. I don't think Hipchat is a POS - it gets the job done - but it is lacking some features that I would consider to be fairly basic. (Why can't I edit messages except with the s// syntax? Why can't I do basic text formatting?) I do agree with you on the lack of faith, though. Jira'…

I am very satisfied with the Confluence cloud web text editor, but the Jira cloud editor is TERRIBLE. I wish they would bring the Confluence functionality to Jira.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by 0xbear »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #248
morinted wrote: post #10

Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done. I have to be sure to quit every chat app and put my phone in "do not disturb" to disconnect and focus, and then I get coworkers mad that I'm not online. At least with email I…

Curious do you work in-office, or remotely? Being on a remote team, without slack we'd be a lot more disjointed without having chat. We have some business folk who insist to chat through email, and it always ends in a very convoluted chain with 15 people in...and it's horrible....

On Slack it's always a huge chain and 15 people on it, and it's not broken down by conversation. And it demands immediate attention to boot.

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Post by benjlang »

dxbydt wrote: post #342
morinted wrote: post #10

Now we have Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride. I'm not sure when chat rooms became a business tool. Personally, I find myself distracted more than anything from all the notifications these apps cause, I get less done. I have to be sure to quit every chat app and put my phone in "do not disturb" to disconnect and focus, and then I get coworkers mad that I'm not online. At least with email I…

Slack, Discord, Gitter, Microsoft Teams, and Atlassian Stride aren't just "chat rooms". They are essentially hosts for programmatic bots. Imagine a newly hired developer posts a question on Stride about some feature-request/bug for a product. A chatbot smartly intercepts this question, posts a response linking to the precise jira ticket that addresses this feature request, when it was closed & who worked on it last.…

Totally agree with you. We're integrating our ticketing system into chat apps (e.g. Slack) with a similar workflow as you described. http://askspoke.com/

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Post by solatic »

vacri wrote: post #334
compuguy wrote: post #309

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Ouch (and self-hosted atlassian products were pricy to begin with). Are there any good alternatives to Jira and Confluence out there (that are self-hosted/on-prem)?

I'm of the opinion that there are no good ticketing systems. I've seen a fair few of them (but haven't looked in the last year or two) and I realised that the problem is this: the amount of information you need to store to make a ticketing system really useful is more than people are comfortable putting in. Lightweight ticketing systems are great for small things, but suck for serious work. Heavyweight ticketing syst…

> Assigning metadata is tedious, remembering workflows is tedious, but if you want more power, you have to do those tasks, regardless of the particular software in use.

This is why you hire dedicated Scrum Masters / PMO, and direct the PMOs to automate away what they can, as the domain becomes clearer.

Jira is actually really great for this because the REST API is so powerful, which can allow the PMOs to build systems which extract work from elsewhere, populate all the necessary fields which are repetitious and tedious for users to fill out, and then submit everything against the REST API and watch it all turn into issues.

When you start to understand that what Atlassian really did with Jira was build a powerful general UI abstraction over relational tables that even non-technical users can use, then you start to understand the sheer power of what's on the table.

Re: Atlassian launches Stride, its Slack competitor

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Post by y_u_no_rust »

MikeKusold wrote: post #291
ComputerGuru wrote: post #110

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It’s not slack but electron. We’ve been floating the idea of developing a native client for slack (we have experience in this field, having developed a Windows client for iMessage) but haven’t decided if it would be worth our while.

Across the board false. Slack is working to reduce the footprint. Listen to the Software Engineering Daily [0] podcast about it (performance conversation begins around 38:45) [0] https://softwareengineeringdaily.com/2017/08/11/typescript-a...

meh I've had the same shit working with low memory usage for decades

interoffice chat apps can be useful but they are overall super mundane

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