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Zones were way cool. Solaris 10 was on the right path and I actually quite liked it. (Ran it in earnest on various SPARC and x64 kit.)
Zones are still cool, and they live on in illumos and especially SmartOS.
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Maybe, but the main lament is that some great IP is lost (ZFS, etc.) If Google had bought them for the IP, then at least that IP would live on, which is what everyone really wants.
ZFS isn't lost. ZFS on Illumos (Smartos) and FreeBSD is alive and well.
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Maybe, but the main lament is that some great IP is lost (ZFS, etc.) If Google had bought them for the IP, then at least that IP would live on, which is what everyone really wants.
ZFS isn't lost. ZFS on Illumos (Smartos) and FreeBSD is alive and well.
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Oh you seriously believe linux is not where it is due to huge sums from intel,samsung,red hat and countless of others ? Please...
> Oh you seriously believe linux is not where it is due to huge sums from intel,samsung,red hat and countless of others ? With the exception of Red Hat I totally concur that Linux has moved very far because of financial infusions from industry. But at the same time that 'toy operating system' was already quite usable before any of that happened. As for Red Hat, they exist because of Linux, not the other way around.
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I think that Solaris and SPARC had different fates in this regard: Solaris was dead the moment they (re)closed it in 2010 -- there was simply no way that Solaris was going to survive as a proprietary operating system (the era for which had passed half a decade before). As for SPARC, Oracle does seem to have invested heavily, in part because of the elaborate self-delusion that Ellison seemed to have that he could deve…
"Do not make the mistake of anthropomorphizing Larry Ellison [or Oracle] " - Bryan Cantrill
Guess who that "bcantrill" person is that you replied to :-)
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The original ZFS engineers now work on OpenZFS, and have for almost a decade. While the base is "owned" by Oracle, most of the innovation in ZFS (and other Solaris technologies) have been done in illumos and are owned by their respective authors. While I feel empathy for the engineers who lost their jobs, modern Solaris innovation hasn't been funded by Oracle since 2010 and the OpenSolaris debacle.
The IP has enough shadow over it that it precludes Apple from using ZFS, even though all the tech was developed outside. That's the main issue. Things are murky and is scares people.
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The original ZFS engineers now work on OpenZFS, and have for almost a decade. While the base is "owned" by Oracle, most of the innovation in ZFS (and other Solaris technologies) have been done in illumos and are owned by their respective authors. While I feel empathy for the engineers who lost their jobs, modern Solaris innovation hasn't been funded by Oracle since 2010 and the OpenSolaris debacle.
The IP has enough shadow over it that it precludes Apple from using ZFS, even though all the tech was developed outside. That's the main issue. Things are murky and is scares people.
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I call FUD. Oracle acquired Sun in 2010 - that's seven years, and it wasn't until this past January and August that major project changes were made and large number of staff laid off. "Get out now" seems unnecessarily alarming. Also, this may vary from org to org, but our (sparc/solaris dev) laptop replacement was every three years. I'll admit that the way they've handled the recent layoffs is atrocious, with most em…
I think that Solaris and SPARC had different fates in this regard: Solaris was dead the moment they (re)closed it in 2010 -- there was simply no way that Solaris was going to survive as a proprietary operating system (the era for which had passed half a decade before). As for SPARC, Oracle does seem to have invested heavily, in part because of the elaborate self-delusion that Ellison seemed to have that he could deve…
Any idea what (if any) the academic or other foundations of this delusion were & how far Oracle got before cutting their losses? Rock seems to have been suffocated before the ink on the acquisition was dry so I'm assuming that's not it.
I love reading about the dead-end roads of computer engineering, especially those that had a few gigadollars driven down them.
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Sun really needed to FOSS license Solaris before Linux hit critical mass. That would have been amazing. Linux is pretty good for what it is, but imagine if it had been Solaris that won instead of Linux, and thus running on most of the servers of the world and potentially iOS and Android as well. It might have even made some desktop inroads, given it would have launched out of the FOSS gate with a more developed deskt…
I doubt Apple or NeXT would have ported their platform to Solaris (from BSD/Mach). it seems to me that BSD would have been Linux if Linux hadn't happened.
NeXT was acquired by Apple. 6 months later... Jobs was in charge, and history unfolded.