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Re: Programmers are most likely to work from home

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Post by Arizhel »

laughfactory wrote: post #352
jon-wood wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having kids doesn't have to be a big problem. The important thing is to have a space which is work, and make sure everyone knows that when you're in that space its like you're at the office. I've got a three year old who is used to me working from home and doesn't cause any problems at all.

Yeah, it's not an issue for me either. I've set clear boundaries with my family (wife and three kids five and under), and they leave me alone in my workspace. I shut and lock the door and that's it until I come out. Works really well. I wonder if those who've had problems have also had difficulty setting and credibly committing to boundaries. It may not seem like much, but if one of them tries and succeeds in getting…

The thing is, that takes family members who actually respect your boundaries. I've read numerous anecdotes on discussions like this from other people who just don't have that luxury; their spouse and/or kids simply do not get it. One guy said he finally rented a little office for $500/month (or whatever), and showed his wife the bill. Then she freaked out and committed to not bother him at home, and got him to cancel his rental (though he still lost out on that 1 month's rent). And how you get some kids to respect your boundaries, I have no idea. Your kids sound great, but I've seen other kids who simply would not do this, no matter what.

Re: Programmers are most likely to work from home

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Post by meritt »

sctb wrote: post #370
meritt wrote: post #33

> I don't want to teach all your shitty college grads humbleMouse's profile: "Mid-Twenties" lol.

Please don't personally attack other users like this, no matter what they've said. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14098242 and marked it off-topic.

I'd advise you to read the rest of the thread as the vast majority of the responses were criticizing his vitriolic attitude, and based on the number of upvotes my comment received, I'd argue a large percentage of the HN userbase agreed with it.

Re: Programmers are most likely to work from home

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Post by dang »

meritt wrote: post #372
sctb wrote: post #370

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't personally attack other users like this, no matter what they've said. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14098242 and marked it off-topic.

I'd advise you to read the rest of the thread as the vast majority of the responses were criticizing his vitriolic attitude, and based on the number of upvotes my comment received, I'd argue a large percentage of the HN userbase agreed with it.

It doesn't matter how many people agreed with it—HN is a constitutional democracy and some rules override upvotes. In this case, the rule is that you shouldn't respond to a crappy comment (which that one was) with an even crappier and less civil one.

Re: Programmers are most likely to work from home

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Post by Arizhel »

cableshaft wrote: post #277
Arizhel wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not everyone is good at having the discipline to get work done at home and to separate home and work while they're at home. Also, people with young children are naturally going to have a big problem. Lots of people who try it complain that their spouses and kids won't leave them alone at home, thinking that popping in isn't a big deal even though it interrupts their focus. And not everyone can afford a home that give…

$500/month for a coworking cubicle? Wow. The going rate around here (Chicagoland) seems to be less than $200 a month. In some of the smaller cities I don't think it even costs more than $400/month to give yourself a (small) dedicated suite for an office around here.

It's just a number I pulled out of my ass for an example; I haven't shopped around so I really don't know what they cost, and of course it'll vary a lot from place to place. Also depends on if it's a coworking space (cubicles, other people around) or a closed office with a door.

Re: Programmers are most likely to work from home

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Post by meritt »

dang wrote: post #373
meritt wrote: post #372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd advise you to read the rest of the thread as the vast majority of the responses were criticizing his vitriolic attitude, and based on the number of upvotes my comment received, I'd argue a large percentage of the HN userbase agreed with it.

It doesn't matter how many people agreed with it—HN is a constitutional democracy and some rules override upvotes. In this case, the rule is that you shouldn't respond to a crappy comment (which that one was) with an even crappier and less civil one.

I point out irony with the age of one user and somehow that's "even crappier" and "less civil" than his comment which is ridiculing every single college graduate and "incompetent older people" as being useless and a waste of this his time? Why was his comment not detached?

I think you and Scott need to re-evaluate your heavy-handed rules and consider your direct role in enabling the entitled, elitist, and often misogynistic attitudes that are so prevalent within the current tech culture. Instead of allowing the community to let this user know that, hey, maybe you shouldn't diminish every single person other than yourself, that maybe the problem actually lies with himself? Someone needs to let these individuals know their behavior is unacceptable, and you are in a unique position to achieve just that: You could have detached his thread, but instead you choose to focus on anyone criticizing him?

Instead you're providing this ridiculous protectionist world in which people like him get away this attacking an entire class of people but as soon as someone turns the tables on him, you swoop and provide protection? This is pretty fucking ridiculous.

Re: Programmers are most likely to work from home

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Post by tomhoward »

meritt wrote: post #375
dang wrote: post #373

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn't matter how many people agreed with it—HN is a constitutional democracy and some rules override upvotes. In this case, the rule is that you shouldn't respond to a crappy comment (which that one was) with an even crappier and less civil one.

I point out irony with the age of one user and somehow that's "even crappier" and "less civil" than his comment which is ridiculing every single college graduate and "incompetent older people" as being useless and a waste of this his time? Why was his comment not detached? I think you and Scott need to re-evaluate your heavy-handed rules and consider your direct role in enabling the entitled, elitist, and often misog…

Please, what Dan and Scott are trying to do is promote civility. It's a hard and thankless job. It's your choice to make it harder or easier for them.

They agreed with you that the comment you were replying to was inappropriate; they just wanted you to be civil in pointing that out. If you look at their comment feeds, that's what they consistently and tirelessly do, regardless of the topic or ideology at hand.

I point out irony

... but you did it in a personally pointed and uncivil way. That's what matters here.

ridiculing every single college graduate

The comment was overheated and crass, but it didn't actually say that.

Why was his comment not detached

It was a root comment. Root comments can't get detached. But the comment is ranked low in the thread.

I think you and Scott need to re-evaluate your heavy-handed rules

From the guidelines and Dang and Scott's comment feeds, the rules are simple and reasonable: be civil. Even in response to incivility.

They seem perfectly happy for people to call out bad behaviour in others - hey it saves them from having to do it.

But they hate it when users go tit-for-tat and create a cascade of incivility, as it diminishes the community for everyone and makes their job harder.

They're even happy getting suggestions from the community, but again, be civil about it. Attacking them as being partly responsible for all the ills in tech culture is a bit much, given their long history of relentlessly and earnestly working to curtail incivility and bigotry in all its forms on this site.

But hey you got it right with this follow up comment:

maybe you shouldn't diminish every single person other than yourself...

That's very well said :)

But in all seriousness, you're getting outraged and taking things personally when it would just make things better for everyone if you could be a bit reflective and say "OK guys, fair cop, I'll try to do better next time".

Re: Programmers are most likely to work from home

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Post by sigi45 »

purple-again wrote: post #183
sigi45 wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What can you really concentrate on when there is commentary somewhere oO?! There is a fucking difference between commentary and music and radio btw.

I am a high performer (because my boss is a dick...I'm my boss) and I work everyday with a twitch stream of Hearthstone running on my laptop. It's background noise that helps me focus. When I need a little break, I tune in and pay attention. Try not to project your own limitations on to other people!

There are enough studies which tells you that we are not good in multitasking. It costs you more resources.
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