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Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by vorg »

tehlike wrote: post #263
WildUtah wrote: post #210

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I doubt it will affect anyone with a US passport at the border, but it's about time for the USA to adopt the Japanese policy and simply ban all dual citizenship. If you hold a foreign passport or any kind of documents from a foreign country for its citizens, your US citizenship should be revoked and you should be deported.

Japan is not the only one, I believe China does it too. There is a merit to this, and even though i can see many people would be unhappy to give up their citizenship (basically, you'll be required to have a visa to visit your family, which is big inconvenience), if it's part of the deal, I think many people would still take it. Most of these though, I feel, should not happen retroactively. In other words, if they are…

China has a special visitors visa category for foreigners of Chinese ethnicity, which gives them multiple entries over some long time period (could by 1 year, I forget). It's not available to foreigners of Caucasian, African, etc ethnicity.

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Post by vacri »

handedness wrote: post #311
vacri wrote: post #184

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US tourists visit North Korea; Vice magazine did an interesting doco on their experience. Tourists are chaperoned and experience cartoonish levels of propaganda, but they're not blocked.

If you actually watch that video, Vice had to bribe a Russian border official to gain entry to the country. It's generally known as the only means of getting in with a reasonably high odds of success. The typical experience for Americans who have applied for visas to visit North Korea is a very long wait, with only gaining approval (sometimes after years of applications), only to have the approval revoked sometimes a…

I didn't recall their issues getting in, but watching it again, there were no Russians involved. They ended up going to the North Korean consulate in Shenyang, China. No other embassies would help them get in.

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Post by erpellan »

WildUtah wrote: post #214
greglindahl wrote: post #137

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It affects citizens who want to get married to non-citizens.

It gives them an excellent opportunity to move to their new spouses' countries and settle down there.

Wow.

So your great-great-grandparents moved to America, killed most of the local population and now you think you own the place? The USA is made of immigrants.

The sad thing is, those with the most options, who pay the most taxes, will do just that. They'll take their expertise and productivity and contribute them somewhere else. And the racists will congratulate themselves on how smart they are while the country continues its crumbling slide into fascism.

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Post by crgk »

grzm wrote: post #266
551199 wrote: post #248

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Searching for 'Racist' gives you a better picture of the situation with 40 hits and most comments in bad faith. The nazi thing is to the most extreme. Do people really believe trump supporters are warming their ovens? Israel is great supporter of Trump. Donald's daughter is a jewish as is grandkids for example. Thanks for the good faith.

You don't appear to be engaging in good faith yourself. You accuse HN members of name-calling, yet when presented with evidence that the first name you list wasn't actually being used in the way you imply, you backpedal and say "oh, no, look at this other one". And you still use the nazi example as the majority of your comment. Good faith means doing that work upfront to ensure that what you're saying has some basis,…

Hey, thanks for writing these comments. I think these are great examples of how to talk about these topics without inviting more conflict or devolving into condescension.

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Post by oolesh »

jmorphy88 wrote: post #322
mertd wrote: post #127

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Let's just spell it out. They were white Christians and therefore are welcome. Statue of Liberty weeps with sorrow.

So what? America's history is overwhelmingly white and Christian. The vast majority of immigration to the US has been from white, Christian nations, even more so at the time when the Statue of Liberty was erected. Is the US a nation of Yemeni immigrants? It's silly to simply treat all potential immigrants as if they are the same. Also, it's disingenuous to reference the Statue of Liberty as some kind of justification…

“Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

:D

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Post by kzrdude »

WildUtah wrote: post #150
kzrdude wrote: post #77

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Eh conflicts of interests. The US has long been “allied” with exactly Turkey (NATO), Egypt and Saudi specifically.

"Allied" in the sense that the Saudi crime family can sponsor 9-11 and their catspaw the Bush administration can exploit the occasion to supplicate even more to them. And the opposition and the media are so deep in Saud pockets, they can't even call Bush out for it.

And in the sense that when KSA fighters sortie to bomb Yemen, US forces are right there to refuel them. That's a military cooperation.

See https://www.airforcetimes.com/story/military/2016/08/08/us-a...

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by slantaclaus »

Seriously the fact that it still only says 1/100,000 signatures on Sunday morning is a conspiracy in my book. I've got a feeling petitions to the White House will have to be done somewhere other than whitehouse.gov during this presidency.

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Post by rainhacker »

crispinb wrote: post #89

The unfortunate fact is no-one who matters cares about this. Who matters? Not the US public: von Clownstick & co know it will be forgetten in a month or three, and by the next election (if there is another election) enough red meat can be thrown to the know-nothing base to "win" again. Who matters: other wealthy nation governments. That's it. And none of them, however loudly they profess civilised values, will risk a…

> by the next election (if there is another election) enough red meat can be thrown to the know-nothing base to "win" again.

I think this is a very important point and pose a threat to democracy. I submitted a new word addition request in Merriam Webster's open dictionary and Oxford: demagogocracy - government by the demagogues

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Post by tehlike »

jmorphy88 wrote: post #322
mertd wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's just spell it out. They were white Christians and therefore are welcome. Statue of Liberty weeps with sorrow.

So what? America's history is overwhelmingly white and Christian. The vast majority of immigration to the US has been from white, Christian nations, even more so at the time when the Statue of Liberty was erected. Is the US a nation of Yemeni immigrants? It's silly to simply treat all potential immigrants as if they are the same. Also, it's disingenuous to reference the Statue of Liberty as some kind of justification…

Sadly, this justifies what trump was/is doing.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by tehlike »

jmorphy88 wrote: post #322
mertd wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's just spell it out. They were white Christians and therefore are welcome. Statue of Liberty weeps with sorrow.

So what? America's history is overwhelmingly white and Christian. The vast majority of immigration to the US has been from white, Christian nations, even more so at the time when the Statue of Liberty was erected. Is the US a nation of Yemeni immigrants? It's silly to simply treat all potential immigrants as if they are the same. Also, it's disingenuous to reference the Statue of Liberty as some kind of justification…

You can make your immigration policy tighter for residency/naturalization, it's within country's right, but tying that to where people are born is pretty sad.
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