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Re: Elementary OS

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Post by kps »

Gracana wrote: post #276
CGamesPlay wrote: post #151

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This is probably the #1 reason why I still want to use mac OS every day. Emacs-style editing shortcuts and not having to press Ctrl-Shift-C to copy when I'm in my terminal window (alternatively, not having to remember to press Ctrl-Shift-C to copy but only when I'm in my terminal window).

Yep, I really like this about Mac OS X. The fact that I can c-w to kill a word anywhere or c-u to kill a line is pretty nice. And OS-level copy/paste has the same shortcut everywhere, like you say. I think it was a mistake for Windows and linux to use control as the default meta-character for gui operations. I always switch it to super if I can.

It is unfortunate that the ‘desktop Linux’ groups all came from Windows backgrounds and ignored all the previous Unix windowing systems, most of which knew better than to screw up terminal emulation.

Qt has a flag to use the GUI key for shortcuts, but it's hard-wired to the platform. I keep hoping there will be enough OS X refugees to make it a user-configurable setting.

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by e12e »

maratc wrote: post #325
e12e wrote: post #300

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How do you usually select text to copy in iTerm, if not with a pointing device?

First option is, with a trackpad on my Macbook, as that has minimum travel distance from where my fingers are already are. It's literally can be done within 3-5 cm moving distance. Second option is, pipe something to pbcopy, and it's put on the clipboard. But it's not necessary that I copy from iTerm; maybe I have something on the clipboard and want to paste it into iTerm.

Right. So select copies. You can select with touchpad, or select with mouse. As for pasting, it's typically shift-insert (that is the keyboard shortcut for third mouse-button - three-finger tap should work, if you prefer). But I think Sakura might try and follow gtk(?) convention of generally supporing ctrl-v for paste (can't test that right now, as I've not gotten around to dual-boot/install a Linux vm on my Surface).

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by user5994461 »

SnowingXIV wrote: post #365
HeavyStorm wrote: post #355

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Still using Winamp as well. At work, people get awed all the time - "wow, is that Winamp?" :D And I keep thinking, what the hell are people using these days?

Spotify, Google Music, Apple Music, Pandora? Before I had to worry about space and moving my music around. Now it's on every device. Has all my playlists, all the music I listened to + discover new stuff, friends can send me songs I might like, can even download for offline if I'm worried about not having internet, etc. It's been a much better solution than playing everything in Winamp which I used forever or iTunes.

I was about to answer VLC and then I red your answer and realized I'm lagging 10 years behind.

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by captn3m0 »

calvin_ wrote: post #252
dajohnson89 wrote: post #81

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Some laptops were designed around Linux. See e.g. system76

Not really - they're just Clevo rebrands with the bare minimum effort. When graphics switching was new, they were quite helpless.

Can confirm this. I'm typing this on a System76 galago pro, which is more than 2 years old at this point. Over time, I've seen the very same issues which you'd expect from any other system: bluetooth misbehaving, graphics issues etc.

In particular:

1. The graphic card (Intel onboard Crystal Eye) switches to low-power mode on battery. The windows Intel driver has an option to switch it to performance mode. No such option on the linux drivers.

2. The damn Xf86Display Key (Projector shortcut) isn't supported.

However, I've realized over time that irrespective of your choice, you will face issues on _your device_. NTFS would stop working on your Mac, or your iPhone will refuse to connect to your Car's bluetooth one fine day.

(/rant)

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by satysin »

glogla wrote: post #347
satysin wrote: post #154

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Nice to see another Fedora user! I find it runs better than Ubuntu. Faster and more stable. Recently I have been using Cinnamon over GNOME3. What DE do you use?

May I ask what are you using to get media and crypto? As far as I know, Fedora doesn't ship media codecs (including mp3) and has limited cryptography, right?

I use this.

    su -c 'dnf install http://download1.rpmfusion.org/free/fedora/rpmfusion-free-release-$(rpm -E %fedora).noarch.rpm http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/rpmfusion-nonfree-release-$(rpm -E %fedora).noarch.rpm'

    sudo dnf -y install cabextract lzip p7zip p7zip-plugins unrar gstreamer1-libav gstreamer1-plugins-bad-free gstreamer1-plugins-bad-freeworld gstreamer1-plugins-base gstreamer1-plugins-good gstreamer1-plugins-ugly gstreamer-ffmpeg gstreamer-plugins-bad gstreamer-plugins-bad-free gstreamer-plugins-bad-nonfree gstreamer-plugins-base gstreamer-plugins-espeak gstreamer-plugins-fc gstreamer-plugins-good gstreamer-plugins-ugly gstreamer-rtsp amrnb amrwb faac faad2 flac lame libdca libmad libmatroska x264 x265 xvidcore hexchat mpv smplayer vlc

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by b15h0p »

legulere wrote: post #343
greggman wrote: post #281

I am really intruigued when people say they do most of their computer usage on an iPad. I get massively frustrated anytime I try to do almost anything other than consome on an iPad. As just one example trying to copy snd paste almost anything makes me want to tear my hair out it's so frustrsting. Moving the cursor or trying to fight with the os about what I really want to select as it keeps trying to expand my select…

You can use two fingers over the keyboard for moving the cursor on an iPad (force touch on the keyboard with iphones)

But you can not select text using that method, can you?

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by maratc »

e12e wrote: post #372
maratc wrote: post #325

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First option is, with a trackpad on my Macbook, as that has minimum travel distance from where my fingers are already are. It's literally can be done within 3-5 cm moving distance. Second option is, pipe something to pbcopy, and it's put on the clipboard. But it's not necessary that I copy from iTerm; maybe I have something on the clipboard and want to paste it into iTerm.

Right. So select copies. You can select with touchpad, or select with mouse. As for pasting, it's typically shift-insert (that is the keyboard shortcut for third mouse-button - three-finger tap should work, if you prefer). But I think Sakura might try and follow gtk(?) convention of generally supporing ctrl-v for paste (can't test that right now, as I've not gotten around to dual-boot/install a Linux vm on my Surface…

Well, there is no Insert key on my laptop, and Ctrl-V means something else in Vim, for instance.

Now, Linux vs MacOS vs Windows -- I get the difference, it's like moving from a manual car to automatic. But imagine you're given a manual car where every gear works normally except for the second -- and second gear requires some extra movement; like pressing a button, or turning a gear stick 90 degrees clockwise. How soon before this car would absolutely infuriate you?

And now imagine that people who learnt their driving on this car are coming to you and just aren't getting what's the big deal.

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by erikpukinskis »

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #368
Brakenshire wrote: post #166

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Agreed about the stock apps. I think actually they are being too ambitious. They want to have certain interface guidelines which operate across all apps (things like autosaving state so they can be closed and opened seamlessly), and that's why they're so keen on developing a full suite of their own programs. But independently developing so many apps all at the same time is a massive, massive task. In my opinion they…

Really the best strategy would be to take existing Linux desktop staples and send patches that allow them to be reskinned enough to get the consistent L+F they want.

The presumption there is that the UI differences are at the skin level, and not tied to behavior, application architecture, toolkit decisions, etc.

The other approach they could take is the Mono/.net approach, which is to have some core domain logic, and then use that as a back-end for multiple independent UIs. A well-designed back-end allows the UIs to be relatively lightweight and hopefully maintainable.

The trouble is, some of what makes "existing Linux desktop staples" is non-trivial UI work. And sometimes adding a back-end front-end split can add a lot of complexity.

In the end, I think the reason we see such division on the question of custom app VS custom skin VS reusable back-end is that there are serious trade-offs in each direction.

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by nvarsj »

greggman wrote: post #281

I am really intruigued when people say they do most of their computer usage on an iPad. I get massively frustrated anytime I try to do almost anything other than consome on an iPad. As just one example trying to copy snd paste almost anything makes me want to tear my hair out it's so frustrsting. Moving the cursor or trying to fight with the os about what I really want to select as it keeps trying to expand my select…

Yes, it's really strange! It's like these people have never used a keyboard efficiently in their life, so they are happy with a touch interface.

It's the same with my phone, although I am pretty decent typing on it. But long comments and emails I find myself forced to get out the laptop.

I sort of miss the Blackberries in this regard - I could comfortably get over 50wpm on the physical qwerty keyboards.

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