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Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by zallen »

oh_sigh wrote: post #238
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not at Yahoo! Not any more. When give a fair playing field, the women outnumber the men.

So in a profession that is generally 80% male, and 20% female, you think that women are so amazing that they will make up 80% of the top leadership in an even playing field? That seems unlikely.

Oh, I don't know, let's math it. I keep hearing that women need to be twice as good to make it half as far. Sooo, 20% women in STEM x 2 x 2 (twice as good; and, multiply by two to make up for half as far) = ... 80%

Q.E.D.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by aq3cn »

spydum wrote: post #150
aq3cn wrote: post #29

Wow, so many different news about the same tech company within a month and now this one too. They could not have pulled a better stunt to compete with what Apple and Google is doing in their keynote. http://gizmodo.com/7-of-yahoos-biggest-fuck-ups-1745729341 http://gizmodo.com/how-yahoo-totally-blew-it-on-security-178... http://gizmodo.com/heres-what-happened-to-all-of-marissa-may... http://gizmodo.com/yahoo-secretly…

You have to wonder if there is some sort of campaign to smear yahoo? The timing does seem strange, but perhaps it's simply because they are under so much scrutiny because of the eventual sale?

I have these speculations:

1. Tech giants are making room for themselves.

2. Their employees (male ones especially) are unhappy with deal, so they are attacking it.

3. Verizon is doing this to get discount.

4. CEO does not care about hiding lies anymore, she wants to be fired to get her money and may be she has lost control over her employees.

5. (highly improbable) They want users to delete their accounts due this kind of bad press.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by jimmywanger »

ajamesm wrote: post #359
jimmywanger wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Way to misinterpret what I said. I said that "dude" and "guy" were asexual, not "lady".

I was using "lady" asexually.

Just like you can use the "n-word" non-racially?

The conversation was about the colloquial usage of the word dude and guy. Nothing was said about lady.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by shagie »

rm_-rf_slash wrote: post #236
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of companies fail to survive Silicon Valley forever. Yahoo!'s future aside, the conversation was about promotion, not ailing companies. A lot of women are routinely overlooked in management promotions. Since its 80% (or usually much more) men in every other company in Silicon Valley, we'll have to call discrimination and incompetence at all of them? The assumption that women can't possibly belong in management i…

>The assumption that women can't possibly belong in management is galling. No mystery why Silicon Valley has the reputation it does. You're putting a lot of words in other people's mouths in this thread, and I believe you are equating skepticism and discomfort from the lawsuit's allegations with willful ignorance or even sincere sexism. If a CEO wishes to fire half the company and hire new people, sure. If the CEO wa…

One of the things that has been only lightly touched upon:

> ... and have them demoted and/or fired to minimize severance costs ...

Tangential to this was the violation of the California and federal WARN act. Yahoo reduced the workforce by 600 employees without declaring the corresponding reduction in force under WARN acts.

If a company has 100 (federal) or 75 (California) or more full time employees that have been employed for 6 of the past 12 months and lays off 50 or more employees during a 30 day period, the employer falls into the WARN act.

This also isn't something that's new at all - its been brewing for months. http://www.californialaborandemploymentlaw.net/2016/yahoo-ac... is from March 6th.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by st3v3r »

int_19h wrote: post #355
st3v3r wrote: post #345

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I fail to see why the ability to get a job easily should be taken into account whether you get to have a legal remedy or not. And quite frankly, I have no faith whatsoever that a boycott would work, or gain any traction at all. We have had numerous stories of companies acting shitty all over, and yet they don't seem to have problems hiring.

Let me clarify that. I don't actually particularly care about whether the boycott would work or not, in a sense of preventing the affected company from hiring more people. What I care about is remedying the material harm that is caused to people discriminated against. If you are looking for a job, and they tell you that you needn't apply because of your race/gender/..., but there are thousands more equivalent jobs in…

"If you are looking for a job, and they tell you that you needn't apply because of your race/gender/..., but there are thousands more equivalent jobs in your market that don't have such restrictions, there's no substantial harm to you"

You have lost all credibility with that statement.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by ajamesm »

jimmywanger wrote: post #373
ajamesm wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was using "lady" asexually.

Just like you can use the "n-word" non-racially? The conversation was about the colloquial usage of the word dude and guy. Nothing was said about lady.

> "guy and dude are pretty much asexual references"

and I'm using 'lady' asexually. Is this triggering you?

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by phyzome »

ralfd wrote: post #134
phyzome wrote: post #99

As a man in technology... this seems fine. The playing field is already tilted against women in tech, so if someone intentionally levels it, that's great! And I don't really care if they tilt it the other direction. Those men will find work elsewhere, no problem. (I am not taking a stance here on Mayer's other management practices, to be clear.) Discrimination against an otherwise unoppressed majority really fails to…

These were not tech (engineering) jobs. The article talks about Media, the divisions Marketing and Yahoo News editors.

Ah, I missed that! Thanks for the correction.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by jimmywanger »

ajamesm wrote: post #376
jimmywanger wrote: post #373

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just like you can use the "n-word" non-racially? The conversation was about the colloquial usage of the word dude and guy. Nothing was said about lady.

> "guy and dude are pretty much asexual references" and I'm using 'lady' asexually. Is this triggering you?

Considering that lady is not generally accepted as an asexual term, I'm having a difficult time parsing your statement.

Certain words mean certain things in certain contexts. If you want to start using "lady" as an asexual term, go for it. Be prepared for stares and weird looks when people don't know what you're talking about because it's not generally used that way, unlike 'dude and guy'.

What's your point exactly?

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by ajamesm »

jimmywanger wrote: post #378
ajamesm wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "guy and dude are pretty much asexual references" and I'm using 'lady' asexually. Is this triggering you?

Considering that lady is not generally accepted as an asexual term, I'm having a difficult time parsing your statement. Certain words mean certain things in certain contexts. If you want to start using "lady" as an asexual term, go for it. Be prepared for stares and weird looks when people don't know what you're talking about because it's not generally used that way, unlike 'dude and guy'. What's your point exactly?

You don't see my point? You're frustrated and defensive, and all I've done is address you by the wrong gender.

Re: Lawsuit: Yahoo CEO Marissa Mayer led illegal purge of male workers

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Post by yolesaber »

oh_sigh wrote: post #240
yolesaber wrote: post #151

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It's not about successful communication, it's about how you present an entire group of people. Using the term "the blacks" or "Blacks" makes you sound like Archie Bunker, dude. Negative social signal.

Maybe you just have an unconscious bias against blacks, and therefore think that "blacks" sounds bad. If I said "Whites outnumber african americans in the US 5:1", would you be offended?

If I fucked your dad, would you jerk off?
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