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Re: Chrome removes Backspace to go back

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The backspace thing has gotten attention more than ever on sites like Reddit. I have routinely seen posts complaining about it and the spacebar key doing behaviors that users never ever intended. For example, pressing space and then accidentally scrolling down which wasn't their intention at all, but is the behavior of space. I think some of those complaints reaching the front page of reddit may have helped spur this…

Spacebar scroll is standard on many Unix utilities, starting with pagers such as less and more. Given that paging down a screen of text is very likely to be one of the most common things you'll do, and that it's a well-established motif, as well as the fact it doesn't destroy user-state (as back-nav on backspace does), it's quite defensible. I've never actually seen someone complain about it until now.

People complain about it all the time on anything having to do with video playing, because when the video player has focus space is used to play/pause the video, but when the player is not focused, it scrolls down the page.

Frankly, I would be perfectly happy if space to page went away entirely. I exclusively use two finger dragging on laptops and scroll wheels on desktops to browse websites. I never use space to move down a whole page at a time, and that's a jarring action anyway because it inevitably causes me to lose the context of where I was reading in the document in a way that smooth scrolling accomplished through other means does not.

Re: Chrome removes Backspace to go back

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One of the contributors states: "Building an extension for this should be very simple." Why on earth isn't there just a generic keyboard-shortcut preference where I can control every possible browser action and its associated keyboard shortcut? In fact, why isn't this available at an OS level? Surely it would remove a lot of unnecessary duplicate code.

> "Building an extension for this should be very simple." Which is then followed, amusingly, by a developer who has tried to do it saying that in fact, it's not that simple (without ridiculous permissions). But now it seems to have turned into a face-saving thing where the Chrome developers won't ever reverse the change or put in a configuration option because to do so would be to admit a mistake in public.

Well, someone figured it out for Linux: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/backspace-as-backf...

Re: Chrome removes Backspace to go back

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Keyboard shortcuts are only undiscoverable because apps stopped listing the shortcuts next to the menu items.

In the case of "Go back," there are two or three keyboard shortcuts in most browsers, of which I'd guess backspace is probably the least (intentionally) used.

"Backspace" to go back was new to me, and just sounds like a terrible idea, you'd be accidentally deleting things all the time.

Firefox does not have "Go back" accessible through the menu, although the "Backspace" keystroke works. Chrome also does not have a "Go back" accessible through the menu that I can find. Hovering over the Back button shows how to click to access history.

Re: Chrome removes Backspace to go back

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>Are you suggesting that the only remaining options are Alt-Left (a two-hand key combo for that I have to move my mouse hand towards the keyboard, and then back) I guess no one told this guy that a standard keyboard has two ALT keys.

You are making assumptions that are invalid for a whole lot of keyboard layouts.

Must be why I said standard.

Re: Chrome removes Backspace to go back

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when you get the form back up, the browser should fill it because it should remember the form state from earlier alternatively, just don't browse away when you have something filled in a form - just ask the user if they meant to do that

Detecting and/or saving "something filled in a form" is hard to do with 100% accuracy across all the oddly implemented forms out there. While I feel it has slowly gotten better over the years, especially on well implemented pages, it is still a common enough issue that another solution was needed. I do wish they had mad a user configurable flag rather than forcing people to use plugins to re-acquire functionality the…

Or maybe like just disable it if there is something to lose ie there is a form and I entered something in it with the keyboard

Re: Chrome removes Backspace to go back

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At one point I forked Chromium over the click-selects-all in the URL bar. In OS X, this was the only application that behaved that way (until Apple recently followed suit with Safari...). Now I just use FireFox because they give me the option to override the default. I edit URLs far more often than typing in new ones. If I am going to a new URL, I generally type command-l or open a new tab...

The point of highlighting the URL with a single click isn't just to replace it with something else, but to copy it fast, and all kinds of users, including true power users, copy URLs much more often than edit them.

I'm sure that's the rationale, but 'true power users' likely hit meta-l to select the whole url anyhow, instead of using the mouse...

Re: Chrome removes Backspace to go back

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I'm shocked they reacted to the complaints at all. Chrome is infamous for painful UX blunders that Google refuses to acknowledge, let alone fix. Mouse thumb buttons are permanently bound to forward and back, the only workaround is to use your mouse's driver or a third-party input mapper to bind them to something else. The Android version cannot re-order tabs (or use extensions. Seriously.) The Google product forums a…

Is there a mobile browser that does allow extensions?

Firefox on Android. Been using it for a few days with uBlock origin and it seems quite worthwhile.

In general I've found that FF have been proactively fixing their perf, memory and usability stories. With exception to the rare occurrence such as this, Chrome has been on a steady decline.

Re: Chrome removes Backspace to go back

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Why is installing an extension that supports this functionality unacceptable?

Third party or first party ? Third party cause trust issue, and could change to behavior depending on the owner whim. First party would be fine but need to be maintained. Also extension have a discoverability issue. I am pretty sure that the chrome team got the telemetry data to justify this "feature" removal. But I am really more in the "use a flag camp"

You can write one pretty easily I'm sure if you're worried about the trust issue. I suspect it is a few lines of code at most. I realize this is not ideal, but it would work. Use a flag is the ideal case for me as well.

Re: Chrome removes Backspace to go back

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Try Ctrl-Shift-T

I'm well aware. I'm saying that the tab should appear to close but persist in the background for a short period of time so that I can Ctrl-Shift-T and get my untouched context back.

What are you losing when you use Ctrl-Shift-T?

Re: Chrome removes Backspace to go back

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My first instinct was to bemoan it's loss, but after thinking about it, I make this mistake far too often.

I actually just lost a draft of an annual self-assessment to this. I wanted to delete some text, but I guess I didn't have focus in the text box, and hit back. The form was created by an awful website (PeopleSoft/Oracle), so hitting forward didn't bring my data back.

Sure, it was just 20 minutes of work. Sure, a better website would have had the fields autosaved, or at least not have broken the browser autofill. Sure, I could have written it in a different program and then pasted into a browser.

But seriously, that should never happen. Not like that.

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