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Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup

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I'm doubtful of this taking off. People stick with the default apps and settings. The average person just really doesn't care that much about this kind of thing. Maybe enterprise or businesses will like it - so they can avoid their employees visit whitelisted sites that mistakenly have malicious code in the ads. Eg. Flash

Mozilla uses that fact to exploit its users. They keep pushing a "clean your browser" button, which reverts the search engine to Yahoo, which pays them for this.

Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup

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Though the team working on Brave seems to have a few ex-Mozilla engineers, they have chosen to fork browsers other Firefox. (Also, nice to see so many Canadians!)

'Brave browser promises faster Web by banishing intrusive ads' | Jan 20, 2016 http://www.cnet.com/news/ex-mozilla-ceo-try-braves-new-brows...

> Eich and his team built Brave out of Chromium, which is the foundation for Google's Chrome browser, which leaves most of the actual development and security support to Google. Why not use Firefox, into which Eich poured so much effort? Because Chrome is more widely used and therefore better tested by developers who want to make sure their websites work properly, he said. "Chromium is the safe bet for us," he said.

* The desktop browser is a cross-platform desktop application created with a fork of Github's Electron framework that is itself based on Node.js and Chromium. https://github.com/brave/electron https://github.com/brave/browser-laptop

* The iOS browser is a fork of Firefox for iOS, which is a Swift app developed from scratch by Mozilla. https://github.com/brave/browser-ios

* The Android browser is Link Bubble, which is a wrapper around the default Android browser https://github.com/brave/browser-android Previous HN discussion here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7453897 Australian developer Chris Lacy announced its sale in Aug 2015: http://theblerg.net/post/2015/08/05/ive-sold-link-bubble-tap...

* The ad blocking technology is courtesy a Node.js module of Adblock Plus filter that uses a bloom filter and Rabin-Karp algorithm for speed. https://github.com/bbondy/abp-filter-parser-cpp

* The database is MongoDB. https://github.com/brave/vault

Past news coverage:

​Mystery startup from ex-Mozilla CEO aims to go where tech titans won't | Nov 17, 2015 http://www.cnet.com/news/mystery-startup-from-ex-mozilla-ceo...

Use Link Bubble to open links in the background on Android | Aug 26, 2015 http://www.cnet.com/how-to/use-link-bubble-to-open-links-in-...

Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup

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I will repeat this one more time, because Eich seems to be missing the point.[1] I don't adblock for privacy, security, or speed. Those are just nice-side effects. I adblock because I do not want to be manipulated into buying things I do not need. I wonder what would happen if, as a society, we said, "enough, no more ads". Would it really be the capitalist apocalypse that the ad industry is trying to make us believe…

> I wonder what would happen if, as a society, we said, "enough, no more ads". Would it really be the capitalist apocalypse that the ad industry is trying to make us believe it would be?

I'm not sure I agree all ads are associated with capitalism. Propaganda is one example. There are also ads for awareness and for non-profits.

Also I have noticed that the best content that I like is typically ad free or at least doesn't have the buy-product-ads (e.g. PBS TV and NPR). This is the case with most media with the only exception being the Internet.

The only time I have issues with ads is when I'm ironically either trying to buy something or I have decided to go low brow and click on some sleazy news.. (its like the South Park episode on ads.. they trick me..).

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I can't recall ever having learned anything of value from an ad, but YMMV. Still, it's not cynical to say that advertising is meant to make you buy more, because that's why ad space is bought: to boost sales. And it's also not cynical to say that those extra sales would not have occurred without the ad, hence they were for goods people could have done without. Something which can be done without is unneeded, hence, i…

> And it's also not cynical to say that those extra sales would not have occurred without the ad, hence they were for goods people could have done without Here's the error. Yes, they were products the target could have done without, but not something they can do without once they have the product. Consider: The first iPhone. A device that opens possibilities to improve your life that never existed before. You could d…

You're confusing need with want. Nobody needs an iPhone, not even after they get one. Plenty of people want an iPhone. To be fair, the statement "advertising makes you want what you don't need" is not a value judgment on whether that is a good or bad thing. It could be that advertising is beneficial to the world. It just seems unlikely.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Virtually no one was opposed to marriage equality. Many people were and are opposed to the judicial redefinition of marriage.

> Virtually no one was opposed to marriage equality. On the other hand, observed reality.

In particular, to say that opponents of gay marriage were just getting fussy about judicial definitions is to say that the civil war was about states rights.

Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup

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If information by itself worked, I can guarantee you nobody would waste time using all these other techniques.

> If information by itself worked There are two lessons we can learn form "information by itself doesn't sell $WIDGET". One is that properly informed people don't actually want that product, and the product should be changed or replaced to meet their actual needs. The alternative lesson - which is unfortunately very popular - is that if people that are properly informed won't buy the product, then they should be kept…

Or the reality, which is neither of those: people don't become properly informed when you present them with unprompted information. They ignore your pitch and move on with their life. You never reach the state where there are "properly informed" people deciding not to buy your product.

Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup

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Right. Sell premium movie ticket prices that do not have ads (although I like previews, those can stay). Sell me a subscription to duckduckgo, payable in bitcoins or similar. Paywall every newspaper website. These are far more honest approaches in my view.

> although I like previews, those can stay Why is an advert for a film that you don't need to see, better than an advert for a product that you don't need to own?

...especially when film trailers are highly edited and engineered for the maximum response to manipulate the viewer into wanting to see the film exactly in the way that the OP decries as undesireable!

Re: Brave: Brendan Eich's clean-ads browser startup

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Anyone OK with this business model should also be ok with ISPs stripping out ads and replacing them with their own content (remember that?) On the other hand, if this gets traction (unlikely, admittedly) this may finally force the issue to the courts and get content fiddling declared copyright/TOS violation. Which I'm not sure you all want.

This is opt-in. I think more people would be OK with an ISP doing it if it were also opt-in.
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