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Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by cm2187 »

brudgers wrote: post #317
krylon wrote: post #92

Ever since Nadella took over at Microsoft, such news items are becoming more and more frequent. Ten years ago, my first reaction at such a headline would have been to check my calendar if it's April 1st. Microsoft has come a long way from the company that everybody loved to hate. IMHO, they still have a long way ahead of them, but it's nice to see they seem to be serious about it. With Ballmer at the helm, I had the…

By design, Nadella is getting credit by design for 'overnight changes' many years in the making. Windows 10 reflects the strategic decisions embodied in Vista. Ballmer owned enough stock that along with Gates' backing Microsoft could produce a largely incompatible new version of the Windows OS and Wall Street could like it or lump it. Gates and Ballmer have been divesting Microsoft shares and the new company is behol…

I don't know if he is an idiot but it is under his watch that someone signed off on windows 8, thinking hum, customers are going to love that.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by nailer »

_random_ wrote: post #353
WDCDev wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

WPF is, by far, the most pleasant and flexible thick client, windowing system out there. XAML is a bit verbose, but the binding capabilities combined with an open source MVVM framework like Caliburn allow you to build extremely flexible UIs. WPF also abstracts control behavior away from presentation and allows you to easily and quickly extend the base set of controls to do whatever you want to. After building multipl…

Also (as a sane alternative to ) where you can actually align stuff exactly the way you want.

You know about flex box right?

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by nailer »

serge2k wrote: post #335
pera wrote: post #300

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> Open source is not available to commercial companies. The way the license is written, if you use any open-source software, you have to make the rest of your software open source. If the government wants to put something in the public domain, it should. Linux is not in the public domain. Linux is a cancer that attaches itself in an intellectual property sense to everything it touches. That's the way that the license…

Is he wrong about the GPL? It actually does what he is talking about by design. Every company which uses GPL code is very careful about how they do so. A lot won't touch GPLv3 because of the newer restrictions. AGPL as well.

Using code is very distinct from using software (which Balmer referred to).

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

notsony wrote: post #325
rbanffy wrote: post #309

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> Developers* are sick of proprietary stacks And Microsoft will rescue them... Yeah, right...

Is there any reason not to use .NET now that it has been open-sourced? What's wrong with C# and F#?

We'll know in a decade. It's too soon to tell whether Microsoft has something up it's sleeve. (The open source stuff is always a version behind Microsoft's latest, maybe?)

I've watched Microsoft since the 1980s. One year is way too soon for me to believe that they've changed their stripes. In particular, it's way too soon for me to want to tie myself to their platform.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by soheil »

They have a long way to go, I'm baffled as to why this got 1020+ up-votes. They knew they've been losing the OS and development tools battles to Apple and open-source for 10 years now and now skinning an open-source editor is going to change that overnight? They first need to catch up and then surpass the competition. They have a monumental mountain to climb to just even be anything like what they once were.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by tw04 »

kaolinite wrote: post #302
notsony wrote: post #290

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Tim Cook's too busy with Jonathan Ive and Angela Ahrendts, turning Apple into a luxury goods company, to even know what just hit him. Slowly but surely the best developers are going to leave the Mac platform leaving only consulting body-shops and corporates on iOS. Developing for the Mac and iOS is miserable. It wasn't always that way, but it is now. Developers* are sick of proprietary stacks, from the language (Swif…

Do you have anything to back that up? Personally, I feel developing for Apple platforms has never been better. Companies are still, for the most part, launching on iOS first and I don't know who the developers you're talking about are, but there are a hell of a lot of great developers still in the platform: Panic, OmniGroup, etc. As for your comment on the 30% fee, that's industry standard and few serious developers…

Panic? You mean the company that pulled Coda 2.5 out of the app store because it was too difficult to sandbox? Oh, the irony.

Re: Microsoft Launches Visual Studio Code, a Free Cross-Platform Code Editor

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Post by Jare »

mmgutz wrote: post #157

I prefer it to atom already on OSX. * handles multiple files well. atom ends up being too many tabs with no quick way to get to them * MRU file switching * shows side by side default v user settings * launches must faster (which is strange since it is based on electron) * JS debbuger Can't wait to try the CoreCLR.

I just tried a 100MB C++ file; it opened in 2 seconds, and navigated very fast. No syntax highlighting, however a 20MB C++ file did receive syntax highlighting in the background (took around 30 seconds to reach the bottom), with navigation still 100% fast and responsive.

Right now, this thing blows the Atom editor out of the water in terms of performance. For plugins and breadth of available functionality, Atom is miles ahead of course.

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Post by nailer »

davexunit wrote: post #80
clarry wrote: post #35

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It pretty much always does.

Many companies use "open source" or simply "open" in a way that isn't compatible with the open source definition. This is known as open washing. A good, non-Microsoft example is Epic Games and Unreal Tournament 4. They talk a lot about being "open", but the source code and assets are all proprietary.

Neither Epic (I've contributed to UE) or Microsoft assert their products are Open Source, merely 'open'.

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Post by nailer »

joshuapants wrote: post #32
micampe wrote: post #22

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When most companies say free they mean free of charge, if they want to say open source they say open source, because that’s the term the world understands. Basically only the FSF uses free to mean Free Software.

Open source doesn't imply free (or libre, if you prefer)

Yes it does: the Open Source Definition substantially overlaps with the FSF's list of freedoms.
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