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Supporting them doesn't mean paying for million dollar mansions and vehicles.

90% of the people who work on a movie couldn't hope to own a million dollar mansion.

Exactly my point. Because there are 10% who can own them. Seems fair...

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A tax that was worth 193.000.000 € in 2011. Not enough to balance the alleged losses but… not bad, I guess. "Les flux financiers de la Rémunération pour Copie Privée": http://bit.ly/1fn0PqX

Alleged by whom? Note that the record industry had a habit of making totally ridiculous claims concerning their losses.

Alleged by the media industry, of course. And repeated ad nauseam by politicians and journalists without much verification.

Re: Popcorn Time – Watch torrent movies instantly

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Absolutely. Certainly the hypothetical cameraman has no inherent right to be paid to do whatever they want to do, I only assert that the so-called utopian pirate market is incapable of sustaining cinema without drastic changes to the business. Not to say those changes aren't currently necessary, only that if everyone chose to pirate rather than pay then all of Hollywood would likely just shut down rather than keep th…

Hollywood shutting down would not be a huge loss to the world. Movies of cultural value could still be funded and then be made available to the public.

That's a highly debatable point. People's definitions of cultural value differ wildly, and the sort of violence and humor that many people find entertaining would be difficult to justify seeking public funding for.

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Then when your friends are at your home, you kick 'em out if you want to see a movie you pay, rented? wouldn't be fair also make them pay, or will you let them consume for free too?

Which rental service requires that each person watching pays a separate fee? If the terms dictated something like that then I simply wouldn't rent from that service.

Let's say you live alone and you want to see a movie. You pay for it. Same if I want to do it at my home. we both pay and we have the legal right to see it. What if suddenly, 20 friends come to my home to see the movie without paying as they were in their homes? Downloading is the same case. That's what I mean. You can't have the best of both worlds. Either you all pay to see it or no one.

Re: Popcorn Time – Watch torrent movies instantly

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Which rental service requires that each person watching pays a separate fee? If the terms dictated something like that then I simply wouldn't rent from that service.

Let's say you live alone and you want to see a movie. You pay for it. Same if I want to do it at my home. we both pay and we have the legal right to see it. What if suddenly, 20 friends come to my home to see the movie without paying as they were in their homes? Downloading is the same case. That's what I mean. You can't have the best of both worlds. Either you all pay to see it or no one.

But when you buy it you have a license to show it to 20 friends in a setting like that as long as you aren't charging (at least in the U.S.).

You are creating situations for the sake of this argument that simply don't exist.

Re: Popcorn Time – Watch torrent movies instantly

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I clicked "12 years a slave", a movie I have not yet had an opportunity to watch and it started streaming in less than a minute in high quality. I immediately quit the application as it should not be so easy to benefit from someone else's hard work without compensating them. Please, movie people, let me pay for this. You might kill the cinemas, but you'll still get paid.

When I visit the cinema, it's usually for the experience, and less to do with catching a new release. For example, I wanted to go see Gravity this week. I could torrent the movie, but I heard good things about Gravity in theaters. Nonetheless, all the theaters within an hour drive stopped playing it, so I'm out of luck. They should allow people to buy and stream new releases online. Then, I think they should use thea…

That's quite right.

You're paying the service, not the work done. The work is already payed. The investors now want to make more money and that's all. If they don't know what the consumer wants, i.e. you want to experience this movie on a theather, then they can't win money.

In fact, when you go to cinema, in theory, you're paying the theathers, not the filmakers or the camera man who filmed the movie. Maybe some actors have access to shared profits, but that's pretty rare business nowadays.

I'm tired of the same "compensation" history. What is the minimum compensation they want to leave a fair use? You will find the number can't be wrote down. Everyone wants free compensation for life.

Re: Popcorn Time – Watch torrent movies instantly

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Stream for torrents is extremely damaging to the swarm, specially for new torrents. It breaks the protocol and may end up killing itself. Picture a case of major success for this: At Prime Time there is a rush of people streaming from a torrent, acquiring the same pieces of the torrent without servers to counterbalance the upload speed of people with the complete files can't stream the file in real time to a few peop…

Do you have a demonstration of that effect? I'm not buying it from the words. With typical torrent use, you have to wait the entire download time before you can watch anything because the pieces are randomly selected. But adding streaming just means you have to bias toward the early pieces just enough to have a decent buffer. After that, you can still be random. The case of prime time seems to be better for this appr…

No, I don't have a demonstration since nothing like this was ever widely adopted, but it is an opinion shared among the bittorrent community: "One of the key algorithms in bittorrent is the rarest-first piece picker. It is vital to bittorrent’s performance that the piece picker fulfills both of these requirements:

    The rarest piece is picked (from the client’s point of view of the swarm)
    If two or more pieces have the same rarity, pick one of them at random
The reason to pick a random rarest piece is to always strive towards evening out the piece distribution in the swarm. Having an even piece distribution improves peers’ ability to trade pieces and improves the swarm’s tolerance to peers leaving." http://blog.libtorrent.org/2011/11/writing-a-fast-piece-pick...

Re: Popcorn Time – Watch torrent movies instantly

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"Its not that anyone should always expect to pay for things that are beneficial, its the fact that people who very recently WORKED to create the very thing you are benefiting from should be PAID for their work." Why did the camera, props, lighting and other workers contribute to the movie, if they weren't getting paid? How could they afford to? In reality, of course, only the movie companies, some writers and a few b…

While B didn't agree to pay, B wanted to watch the works, (and C and D and and and) If B and C and D don't pay, then next time A won't make anything, and everyone loses.

Except A haven't stopped making things in spite of B's and C's and D's refusal to pay, because Z pays. Plus, from the get go, if there was a price tag attached to it, C and D wouldn't consume, only B and Z. So the loss is only of B's copy. C and D convinced X that A's product is good and X pays, offsetting B and more value is generated because more people watched the movie. I used to believe this was only theoretical and the both sides didn't offset; but piracy has not killed industries so...

Re: Popcorn Time – Watch torrent movies instantly

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post #321

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I 100% do not understand this argument. So, because I enjoy something, I shouldn't have to pay for it? Can you please flush out this argument a bit?

If I give something to you it's entirelly up to me to decide whether I want you to give me money. If I want to give (for free) and enjoy doing that, please stop saying "take my money", because I don't want it. If I wanted your money I would have said so or at least hinted you. In other words, don't spoil the moment. On the other hand, may be it's just me being too sentimental... Or may be it's because I grew up in an…

Except the copyright owners aren't giving anyone anything.

If Disney put up, front-and-center on their website, a download link for Frozen, saying, "It's our gift to you! No strings attached!" then your analogy would work.

When I do a favor or give a gift to someone, I do it out of the kindness of my heart, or because I care about the person I'm doing the favor for. But when I show up to work and perform my duties, I expect to be compensated. Furthermore, even if I _do_ do something out of the kindness of my heart (like staying late to cover an absent employee's shift) I still expect to be compensated.

There's a time and place for volunteer/charity work, and there's a time and place for compensated work. If everyone just did favors for others, there'd be a lot more people who get screwed over (and also less incentive to do very technical work)

Re: Popcorn Time – Watch torrent movies instantly

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Are you guys seriously crying and screaming about compensation when so many actors/directors/producers are filthy rich? I am sure they are all so hungry right now...Think about it! Not to mention the differences between countries regarding salaries and quality of life.

Would you support someone stealing a MacBook Pro or a Microsoft Surface?

I mean, both Apple and Microsoft are filthy rich, so what's a few thousand?

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