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Re: Google announces Calico, a new company that will focus on health and well-being

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To what extent is this guided by the self-interest of aging tech darling CEOs (Larry Page must be in his 40s by now)? As a young person I tend to think "some of these health issues ought to be solved problems by the time I'm older." But I don't have the kind of capital to spend on it that companies like Google, or persons like Larry Page, do. Regardless of motivation, I'm happy to see investment in this domain.

Brin's blog post on his higher genetic predisposition to Parkinson's - http://too.blogspot.com/2008/09/lrrk2.html

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To what extent is this guided by the self-interest of aging tech darling CEOs (Larry Page must be in his 40s by now)? As a young person I tend to think "some of these health issues ought to be solved problems by the time I'm older." But I don't have the kind of capital to spend on it that companies like Google, or persons like Larry Page, do. Regardless of motivation, I'm happy to see investment in this domain.

Both Page and Brin turned 40 this year. There's also Brin's heightened risk of Parkinson's. His mother has it, and according to Wikipedia "both he and his mother possess a mutation of the LRRK2 gene (G2019S) that puts the likelihood of his developing Parkinson's in later years between 20 and 80%". He's donated to Parkinson's research in the past, and this investment is certainly along the same lines.

Original - http://too.blogspot.com/2008/09/lrrk2.html

Re: Google announces Calico, a new company that will focus on health and well-being

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I really fail to see what Yudkowsky's ideas about such things have to do with this particular point.

To my knowledge, it's part of the broad criticism that Yudkowsky doesn't seem to have any concept of avoiding overpopulation or general overconsumption of resources. It's like when people go around saying God gave us the Earth to exploit, except with an entire 14-billion light-year-wide Hubble Volume.

Given his focus on transhumanism related issues, it's likely that he has spent more time thinking about overpopulation than all but an insignificantly tiny proportion of the population.

Re: Google announces Calico, a new company that will focus on health and well-being

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A great problem is the current mindset. Many, many people think of life extension as undesirable . It's mind-boggling at first sight, but then you understand it for what it is: the Stockholm Syndrome, with Death as the hostage-taker, and all the life-extension-deniers as the hostages. We need to get out of that hole first. Google is doing the right thing.

Thinking that death is a problem or 'a bad thing that happens' is incredibly short-sighted. Improving the well-being of humanity in general is a great goal; life extension can be a different topic entirely.

The problem that I see with this statement, from my perspective:

If everyone died at 30, everyone would say the same thing about life extension past 30.

If everyone died at 200, everyone would say the same thing about life extension past 200.

Why does death have to be where it is now? Natural death from aging comes a little longer than a few other causes of death tend to hit, but it's still very, very soon. People's twitch thinking skills start to decline so early (even in the 20s), and while they can more than make up for it through increasing knowledge, we have so little time to build that knowledge before we have to go.

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I disagree with that thought, actually. I believe current models of consumption ignore human innovation, something we're quite good at doing when survival is on the line.

Even considering human innovation, the laws of thermodynamics will eventually limit growth, not to mention the sheer lack of space.

I don't believe the laws of thermodynamics will ever come into play when talking about the expansion of the human race, at least insofar as we don't start talking about humanity as a universal mainstay for the remainder of the existence of... existence.

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I'd rather see a high quality of life for everyone on earth for 80 years than 150+ year life spans for the first world. Which will just further increase the footprint of the rich and divert resources from the poor. Not to mention, it's a more attainable goal. It doesn't help much to keep the body going for 50 more years if you can't also keep the brain going. I believe these are very different problems. If you can so…

So you should be happy with the work the Gates Foundation is doing. It's good to see different technologists tacking a similar problem from different ends of the spectrum.

Re: Google announces Calico, a new company that will focus on health and well-being

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I for one welcome my immortal transhumanist cyborg overlords. But seriously, the fact that the first thing they do is start a corporation to control the science is not exactly comforting to me. Genentech is known for selling Avastin, their drug that fights cancer for $55k after they received harsh criticism for the proposed cost of $100k+/year. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bevacizumab#Costs I fear a future where "all…

> I fear a future where "all men are created equal", but only some can afford to become immortal and others cannot.

That future is now. We already have first-world countries with medical technology that allows its citizens to live an average lifespan much longer than those in countries where such tech is unavailable. Not to mention the everyday technologies that indirectly extend "effective" lifespan -- every hour not spent gathering cooking fuel, preparing food, washing clothes, etc. is an hour you can spend "living". Even in said first-world countries, there is a dichotomy: those who are rich & influential enough to take advantage of expensive & cutting-edge medical treatment, and those who are not.

Actual life extension therapies are just the above, writ large. I don't see any difference between this tech and any other "early adopter" tech, which is always expensive and limited in availability. We can only hope that such technology will become cheaper & more widespread and trickle down to the rest of us in time for us to make use of it.

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"Their total disregard for privacy" To the contrary, they have utter regard for your privacy. They advocate for governments to have more respect for your privacy, as well. Alfred knows everything about Bruce Wayne. Google is Alfred, except he doesn't even take a salary - he wants to show you advertising that you would think is high quality, and he promises to never sell your personal information to the advertisers. P…

Oh yeah, then why didn't they shut-down Gmail like the folks at Lavabit did? Instead of doing the right thing, Google let themselves become compromised in secret - only for us to find out after someone was willing to put their life on the line to leak this information.

> Oh yeah, then why didn't they shut-down Gmail like the folks at Lavabit did?

As to that specific question, I bet it's because Google's Privacy Policy says:

> We will share personal information with companies, organizations or individuals outside of Google if we have a good-faith belief that access, use, preservation or disclosure of the information is reasonably necessary to:

> meet any applicable law, regulation, legal process or enforceable governmental request.

Lavabit's policy[1] said:

> [...] we will not surrender any private information without a court order; [...].

... so I guess they kind of indicated that they could be convinced to share private information, although they didn't do it in the form of a positive assertion like Google.

1. http://web.archive.org/web/20130805154359/http://lavabit.com...

Re: Google announces Calico, a new company that will focus on health and well-being

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Great, but will wait till something cool comes out of it, or when they shut it down. Right now that's all I can say with the info given. But yeah, Google has managed to suck the oxygen out of others with every new announcement (self-driving cars are one example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_car#History )

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Re: Google announces Calico, a new company that will focus on health and well-being

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Kuhn popularized the phrase "paradigm shift." In his view, it occurred over generations as adherents to older scientific models died of old age - e.g. the Copernican model replaced the Ptolomeic model because Ptolomeic astronomers went extinct.

yes, but it's much faster now (look at how quickly the RNA World Hypothesis took over after Noller, Woese, and Cech demonstrated their results. One might say we're catalyzing paradigm shifts through network effects. Then engineers would complain I was using management talk, but I can assure you, that's a succinct and accurate way to explain it.

If it's a "succinct and accurate way to explain it" then why do so many people find it jarring and confusing? If management speak really is a jargon then it is useful only when talking to other managers, not to people in general. (And, it would appear, especially not when talking to engineers.)
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