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David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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I remember an article posted here on HN a while back about how researchers tried to conduct such a study but could not find a control group of people who hadn't been exposed.

Citation please? I want a good laugh to the irony.

I couldn't find the HN entry, but a quick stroll around the web brought me this: http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2009-12/uom-ate120109...

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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That's fucking censorship and I THOUGHT WE ALL AGREED THAT IS A SIGN OF FASCISM In America, all this type of stuff was completely illegal until relatively recent decades (yes I know that the internet did not exist yet but what difference does that make?). Showing "pink shots" in a magazine was completely illegal until 1978 (See Larry Flynt). Wow, what a bunch of Fascists we had running the country for the first coupl…

> I know what you will say in response though - it is only optional for now right? No! It's de facto censorship. As the game goes the "smart" choice will become agreeing to the censorship while keeping a vpn or something to route about it for fear of having your record requested during divorce proceedings or some thing like that. Maybe for fear the list would be leaked . It wouldn't look good for a teacher to be on t…

for fear of having your record requested during divorce proceedings or some thing like that. Maybe for fear the list would be leaked . It wouldn't look good for a teacher to be on the wrong list.

Interesting point. People want to look at porn, yet keep it a secret. Why? If there is nothing wrong with it then why should someone care?

Are teachers not allowed to look at porn? Why not? Can porn use be used against a husband in a divorce case? How?

You are making is sound like porn can be something unhealthy or negative? If it was not unhealthy and nothing negative was caused by it - then why these examples?

It almost sounds like you are making a case of why people should have a tool to keep it out of their homes. Why should people have to hide the fact that they want to look at porn?

Everyone of course already knows the answer. Porn can and does have negative consequences (of varying degrees) for most. Therefore, it is taboo in society. Everyone knows that the porn industry exploits women. It uses and abuses them. It is derogatory toward them. You see things like "barely legal" posted all over porn ads. So many men view porn, and they all try to come up with reasons that it is good and healthy - but everyone knows deep down that it is not. The pathetic industry will fight tooth and nail against any kind of legislation opposing it. They will cite freedom of speech and every other possible interpretation of anything they can get their hands on but these losers really just are all about money. They don't care about the lives they ruin. Men are still in power and ultimately give the industry the nod - not because they are doing the right thing, but because they are hooked and guilty themselves so they allow the false justifications to continue.

Porn is a devil - Everyone knows it at some level.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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OK, here is the difference. I know, I know - censorship generally is bad. What will they (the government) consider "harmful" next? information right? political opinion, it's book burning, this is a slippery slope ETC. The aforementioned things do not have the consensus of psychologists and other professionals in the world agreeing that the content in question can cause psychological harm to a certain percent of socie…

It's not (only) to keep them out of the hands of kids; it's to embarrass the pornhound into reaching for it in public. I had to activate grown-up mode on my giffgaff data (to buy swimmies, which were bogusly blocked by a bad filter). Even though I'm a sleazebag, I still felt a little squeamish asking for porn mode. ...now if that comes in on the monthly bills, "Data mode: Adult", then you have to explain it to your p…

So explain it to your partner then. Big deal. If your partner does not trust you than you have larger issues. If you look at porn and do not tell your partner than they have reason to not trust you.

This sounds like a lot of people don't want to come clean about viewing porn - yet they sing it's praises. Prevents rapes, promotes healthy sexuality, ETC. BS.

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Yeah, porn should be at the fingertips of every man woman and child. Porn leads to healthy lifestyles and healthy sex lives, cultures and communities. Just look at life before porn existed. Never any healthy societies or sexual relationships then - they did not even exist. What harm could porn possibly cause anyone? Putting into someones mind a fantasy of how sex really can and should be? How could that ever cause an…

> Just look at life before porn existed. Never any healthy societies or sexual relationships then - they did not even exist. What harm could porn possibly cause anyone? Putting into someones mind a fantasy of how sex really can and should be? How could that ever cause any future sexual relationship to suffer in any way? Sure, it could be. Might not though. We're all gamblers when it comes to the truth, and you have t…

Sure, it could be. Might not though. The probability is higher than almost any other type of content that can be viewed. You fail to mention this, comparing simulated rape and hardcore porn to swimming? The probabilities are not even on the same chart they are so far apart. Throw out psychology and statistics/polls and merely do a brain scan on the average person going to the beach/pool and the average person watching simulated rape or some hardcore porn. Only the latter creates a huge response in the brain and vivid memories for decades. This alone is evidence to any neurologist that porn has a high probability to create lasting effects in the brain and form brand new neural pathways which change the through process of the subject (usually permanently).

My mention of "life before porn" was not meant to be an argument that port is bad. Some comments here treat port as such a healthy, natural and helpful thing. Lets take the last 100 years of western civilization. the first without porn, the second with. What did it improve? It is hard to argue that it has benefited society as a whole, but not so hard to make an argument that it has harmed it.

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Kids aren't exposed to anything on the internet. It is not a push medium. I have used the internet for 20 years now and I don't think I have ever involuntarily encountered a porn site.

Really? You've never seen a pornographic pop-up advert? I'm not supporting this proposal, I just find your statement hard to believe.

Where should I have seen it (searching for what)? I also use an ad blocker - but afaik most ad networks don't allow porn ads (Google Ads certainly don't).

Of course I have seen such ads - when I was searching for porn.

One place where the internet turns into a push medium might be specific services, like online chats. That is of course a valid concern, but porn filters wouldn't help with that.

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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> Just look at life before porn existed. Never any healthy societies or sexual relationships then - they did not even exist. What harm could porn possibly cause anyone? Putting into someones mind a fantasy of how sex really can and should be? How could that ever cause any future sexual relationship to suffer in any way? Sure, it could be. Might not though. We're all gamblers when it comes to the truth, and you have t…

Sure, it could be. Might not though. The probability is higher than almost any other type of content that can be viewed. You fail to mention this, comparing simulated rape and hardcore porn to swimming? The probabilities are not even on the same chart they are so far apart. Throw out psychology and statistics/polls and merely do a brain scan on the average person going to the beach/pool and the average person watchin…

> Throw out psychology and statistics/polls and....

And you lose the ability to talk about probability in a meaningful way.

If something does create an almost unprecedentedly large response in the brain, does that make it more likely to create lasting effects in the brain and cause the formation of new neural pathways?

I don't know. You want to claim that it's highly probable but you've provided no evidence for this. I know that porn addicts brains are different, primarily in terms of the reward system in ways similar to other addictions I believe, but you'd expect that to be the case. And you've certainly not linked any probability of large responses to the probability of potential changes to the probability of any potential to harm.

If you can't put numbers on it to compare it to other things, you really have no way to talk about probability that's not just waving your hands around and going 'Look at the brain scan!' Well, so what? Even assuming that all of your premises are true, (and the probability of concurrent events is the sum of their multiples so you've lost probability at every stage whatever the actual numbers would turn out to be; complexity penalty) and these brain scans actually exist, what does that mean? Is the probability of harm five times as likely as something else, twenty? If the initial chance of harm is quite small this doesn't make much difference. Is it three orders of magnitude out?

Neurology is a complicated area of inquiry, unless you know how often a given change links up with some result, it's just a picture.

You can't forget about psychology and stats and still meaningfully make statements like 'it's not even on the same chart' you have to know where both things are to be able to talk about that sort of thing - you have to have put the work in and have the numbers.

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In Russia we have a special commission that bans every internet page containing anything relevant to suicide and drugs. For example, famous australian ad "Dumb ways to die" is banned in Russia. Yeah, seriously, these guys have zero sense of humor. Apparently, it's to protect children from killing themselves.

Perhaps they should ban all references to drinking vodka too?

Alcohol advertisement is banned for decades =)

Re: David Cameron cracks down on online pornography

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Same tactics everywhere, Mandatory internet Filters on every ISP as a precaution against pornography or child pornography. Same crippled laws as Turkey. Nobody is prevented reaching porn. But most of the time filters are used against so called "piracy", "extremist" political or "regional" views and these kinds of political agendas. Currently websites pro-evolution are struggling censorship.

opps big typo, religional not regional :)

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post #262

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> I know what you will say in response though - it is only optional for now right? No! It's de facto censorship. As the game goes the "smart" choice will become agreeing to the censorship while keeping a vpn or something to route about it for fear of having your record requested during divorce proceedings or some thing like that. Maybe for fear the list would be leaked . It wouldn't look good for a teacher to be on t…

for fear of having your record requested during divorce proceedings or some thing like that. Maybe for fear the list would be leaked . It wouldn't look good for a teacher to be on the wrong list. Interesting point. People want to look at porn, yet keep it a secret. Why? If there is nothing wrong with it then why should someone care? Are teachers not allowed to look at porn? Why not? Can porn use be used against a hus…

I didn't see this. Sorry.

I mostly agree with your penultimate paragraph. But in answer to the why people should want to hide their porn habits: it is enough that other people would judge a person for porn, or any other habit, to discourage open sharing. For instance, I smoke weed very infrequently and think this is okay but it's not something I would be okay being open about.

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