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Substack writers, you need a website

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Re: Substack writers, you need a website

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Counterpoint from someone who's been publishing on the internet for decades: no one will visit your website. It's as simple as that. You need a push mechanism to reach readers. RSS could be it, but it's too niche. Social media is kinda it, but algorithmic feeds reward political clickbait and just because someone clicks "follow" or "subscribe" is not a guarantee that they will ever see your posts. Substack gives you a…

> no one will visit your website. Yep, let's suppose an average HN user reads 30-100 articles a month on independent websites (personal domains) posted on HN. Out of 100, he probably subscribes to 0-2 at best (via RSS/e-mail). Now, imagine how many times you need to appear on HN to get your own audience. There is too much friction for a user to subscribe. Substack is similar to a social platform. People open it to re…

> imagine how many times you need to appear on HN to get your own audience

HN is NOT the right marketing tool for 99.9999% of people and businesses

Re: Substack writers, you need a website

#362

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You can't get that deep into politics on HN - you'll get flagged.

>for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument

Blame HN moderation

Re: Substack writers, you need a website

#363
post #50

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> no one will visit your website. Yep, let's suppose an average HN user reads 30-100 articles a month on independent websites (personal domains) posted on HN. Out of 100, he probably subscribes to 0-2 at best (via RSS/e-mail). Now, imagine how many times you need to appear on HN to get your own audience. There is too much friction for a user to subscribe. Substack is similar to a social platform. People open it to re…

> imagine how many times you need to appear on HN to get your own audience HN is NOT the right marketing tool for 99.9999% of people and businesses

Personal blogs are not a business, usually.

Re: Substack writers, you need a website

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post #363

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> imagine how many times you need to appear on HN to get your own audience HN is NOT the right marketing tool for 99.9999% of people and businesses

Personal blogs are not a business, usually.

I said people and businesses

Re: Substack writers, you need a website

#365
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post #91

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For a decade or~so I subscribe to newsletters and had skip inbox rules that archived them in a folder about the subject. Eventually I never really looked at the folders but it never bothered me as I don't really see them. Not sure if that means it works or not.

> Eventually I never really looked at the folders but it never bothered me as I don't really see them Most people don't read most newsletters. Some people read some. This Saturday I sent an email. It has since been opened by 26% of my subscribers, that's 4,600 people. 780 people clicked on a link. I tweeted the same email as a link and got pretty good engagement! 20 likes, 2 retweets – that's decent for me these days…

> It has since been opened by 26% of my subscribers, that's 4,600 people

Sadly, open rates are no longer a useful metric in the absolute, at all. Some email providers will block all tracking pixels (so those people look like they never open anything, unless they click the link) and others will proxy all images, so they fire all tracking pixels systematically (so these people look to you as if they open every single email).

The only use you can make of open rates today is relative: "was the open rate higher or lower this month than last month?"

But it's extremely unlikely that your actual open rate (and list of who actually opened) is anywhere close to what the stats show. The only thing that still makes sense is click rates.

Re: Substack writers, you need a website

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> For example, the Nazis By "contemporary" I meant contemporary to today , since those are the people who would potentially be doing these Substacks. I guess that was the wrong word.

I don't think "it is not currently World War III" is a very insightful statement.

It is, because the people currently defamed as Nazis have had ample opportunity to bring such a thing about, and they are clearly not doing so. Every aspect of the ideological comparison is a stretch.

Re: Substack writers, you need a website

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I don't think "it is not currently World War III" is a very insightful statement.

It is, because the people currently defamed as Nazis have had ample opportunity to bring such a thing about, and they are clearly not doing so. Every aspect of the ideological comparison is a stretch.

> The Immutable Animosity: blacts [sic] hate White People, and Nothing Can Change It

Not in any aspect comparable to a Nazi. Gotcha. Hey, out of interest, have you read Mein Kampf, by Adolf Hitler? Here's a bit of Ludwig Lore's translation, Chapter 2:

> The great mass of people could be saved, even if only by the utmost sacrifice of time and patience. But no Jew could ever be freed from his opinion.

(I'm not sure whether you're seriously arguing that bloggers have the capacity to construct offshore death camps to which they deport "undesirables", or the power to unilaterally and militarily invade Poland, and the fact they haven't done so reflects well upon their characters; so I'll not attempt to refute that point until it is clarified.)

Re: Substack writers, you need a website

#368
In this case, I think we should learn from the direct marketing guys (wait, here me out.)

The problems mentioned several times in this thread can all be addressed by their ways, although it requires work, and not treating this "getting paid to write" thing as merely a hobby.

- how not to rely on a central authority for your work - how to solve the problem of getting paid - how not to get banned by the publishing site and also the payment processor for saying things they might deem controversial - and even how to keep your subscribers and also prevent your paid content from leaking to the LLMs

This is how people like Ben Settle (considered as one of the greatest email marketers), Dan Kennedy (Ben looks up to him) and Matt Furey (Ben and Dan both revere him) earned their way into wealth.

* they paywall their premium newsletters. but you can't access them via a website by logging in with a username/password, or a forgotten password flow. No. It's delivered to your home as printed booklets via courier [1].

* Ben has a rule: if you subscribe to his paid newsletter ($97/mo) and then unsub, you won't even be able to join back [2].

* Dan Kennedy has no email. You'll have to fax him to get his attention.

* Ben often talks about the perils of having your entire business at the mercy of platforms and payment processors. His solution is to have multiple merchant accounts [3].

* By keeping their premium content away from the internet, they're able to keep off piracy, and that same playbook is now protecting their content from LLM bots. And by charging big numbers ($97/mo vs $5/mo) they're able to deinsentivise the subscribers from uploading them to the internet. They have proud long-time subscribers who are loyal to them and don't want to harm their business.

One of the main discussion points in this thread is the importance of owning your list. And nobody takes that job seriously than these direct marketers. To them, it's all about controlling as many different parts of the machinery as they could.

And finally, if they're doing offline business, what do they keep their websites for? To build the list of course. And then sell their paid stuff to that list via email.

Yes, it seems like a chicken and egg problem, but then I believe you only need a few fans to keep the ball rolling (kelly 1000 true fans etc).

[1] - https://emailplayers.com/ [2] - https://bensettle.com/blog/why-i-banned-you/ [3] - https://bensettle.com/blog/merchant-account-kicks-my-app/ - matt furey's $97/mo digital newsletter https://knockoutmarketing.com/zen-mastery-newsletter/

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