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Why a $154B CEO just endorsed stripping most Americans of voting rights

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Re: Why a $154B CEO just endorsed stripping most Americans of voting rights

#361

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> Democracy is an engineering exercise, just like any other system. God, tech people should have stayed in basements.

The person you're quoting is a lawyer.

A lawyer who has, in the past, said only property owners and people with at least two grandparents born in the US should be allowed to vote (which excludes him by the second criteria). He's been an advocate for disenfranchisement for a while now.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46885305

Re: Why a $154B CEO just endorsed stripping most Americans of voting rights

#362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The person you're quoting is a lawyer.

A lawyer who has, in the past, said only property owners and people with at least two grandparents born in the US should be allowed to vote (which excludes him by the second criteria). He's been an advocate for disenfranchisement for a while now. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46885305

I do believe the “we have to strip voting rights from the poor in order to save the poor” framing expressed in this thread is new, however.

Re: Why a $154B CEO just endorsed stripping most Americans of voting rights

#363

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lawyer who has, in the past, said only property owners and people with at least two grandparents born in the US should be allowed to vote (which excludes him by the second criteria). He's been an advocate for disenfranchisement for a while now. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46885305

I do believe the “we have to strip voting rights from the poor in order to save the poor” framing expressed in this thread is new, however.

It is new, but it's not that surprising given his stated positions in the past.

Re: Why a $154B CEO just endorsed stripping most Americans of voting rights

#364

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The person you're quoting is a lawyer.

A lawyer who has, in the past, said only property owners and people with at least two grandparents born in the US should be allowed to vote (which excludes him by the second criteria). He's been an advocate for disenfranchisement for a while now. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46885305

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Re: Why a $154B CEO just endorsed stripping most Americans of voting rights

#365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lawyer who has, in the past, said only property owners and people with at least two grandparents born in the US should be allowed to vote (which excludes him by the second criteria). He's been an advocate for disenfranchisement for a while now. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46885305

I do believe the “we have to strip voting rights from the poor in order to save the poor” framing expressed in this thread is new, however.

If you think poor people know what’s best for them, how do you think we should decide vaccine schedules for kids? We should have online voting on it with universal franchise, right? We have the technology now. If you don’t agree we should do that, explain why you think we should gatekeep such an important decision instead of letting people decide what’s best for them?

Re: Why a $154B CEO just endorsed stripping most Americans of voting rights

#366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lawyer who has, in the past, said only property owners and people with at least two grandparents born in the US should be allowed to vote (which excludes him by the second criteria). He's been an advocate for disenfranchisement for a while now. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46885305

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I'm just pointing out that you have advocated, repeatedly, for the disenfranchisement of people (including yourself, which leads to a question: Do you practice your current right to vote, or stand by your conviction that you don't deserve that right and so don't vote?. And your plan for disenfranchisement includes cutting you off from the vote, but not your children, but could disenfranchise your grandchildren.

How that'd work:

You were not born in the US (per many, many past comments you've made here). Your wife was (also per many, many comments). Your parents were not, but your wife's parents were, so your children get the right to vote (they have two grandparents born in the US).

If your child marries an immigrant or the child of immigrants, then their children would be deprived of the right to vote despite the fact that one of their parents had the right to vote. Your grandchildren would only have 1 grandparent (your wife, their grandmother) born in the US, so you think they wouldn't deserve the right to vote.

How is this possibly a reasonable system? Have you told your children yet that if they don't marry the right kind of people that you don't think their children (your own grandchildren) deserve the right to vote? You're no better than the Jim Crow pushers of old.

Re: Why a $154B CEO just endorsed stripping most Americans of voting rights

#367

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Thing about offhand comments from random guys like Lutke is a) they're born of the cultural pool in which he's swimming, which is made up of many other very influential rich guys, and b) they have the power and influence to actually make their ideas happen. One only need look at Peter Thiel's private rich club for assholes and the ideas they're circulating or the absurdities espoused by the effective altruists that b…

The fact that you think Thiel’s dumb little conference is some kind of conspiracy theory shadow group tells me all I need to know about what you know about any of this.

Read more carefully. I didn't say any of that. "Rich people hang out together and influence each other" isn't, in fact, a conspiracy, it's demonstrable fact.

Re: Why a $154B CEO just endorsed stripping most Americans of voting rights

#368

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do believe the “we have to strip voting rights from the poor in order to save the poor” framing expressed in this thread is new, however.

If you think poor people know what’s best for them, how do you think we should decide vaccine schedules for kids? We should have online voting on it with universal franchise, right? We have the technology now. If you don’t agree we should do that, explain why you think we should gatekeep such an important decision instead of letting people decide what’s best for them?

Sorry, did you intend to link this reply to a different comment?

Re: Why a $154B CEO just endorsed stripping most Americans of voting rights

#369

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I'm just pointing out that you have advocated, repeatedly, for the disenfranchisement of people (including yourself, which leads to a question: Do you practice your current right to vote, or stand by your conviction that you don't deserve that right and so don't vote?. And your plan for disenfranchisement includes cutting you off from the vote, but not your children, but could disenfranchise your grandchildren. How t…

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Re: Why a $154B CEO just endorsed stripping most Americans of voting rights

#370

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Somebody with three kids earning 26k is in extreme poverty. If them being a net receiver of government funds is considered a bad thing.... Christ.

Did anyone say it’s a bad thing? About 15-18% earn at that threshold of under. With the assistance, though, the amount of net is about the same as someone earning $80k-$100k but gets no assistance at all.

This sounds like you are saying it is a bad thing.
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