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Re: GLM 5.2 vs. Opus

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Post by digitaltrees »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #358
digitaltrees wrote: post #357

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What do you think I am arguing?

That we don't need better models because they're good enough for our work

I understand why you drew that conclusion from my post, but that's not what I am arguing in the context of this thread.

The OP said "as soon as an open source model of the capability of fable or gpt5.5 are released it's over because the world will build on top of them" which I took to mean some amazing new level of performance is only able to be unlocked with those models.

I am arguing that the level of performance the OP seems to imply doesn't require fablw level models for the work the OP envisions because the harnesses can actually drive the same performance increase.

There are a few papers that have demonstrated it. And my own use of fable made me feel it was not that big of a jump from opus 4.8 compared to better systems around it.

Its a subtle but important distinction.

Re: GLM 5.2 vs. Opus

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Post by ignoramous »

habosa wrote: post #295

At work we use Anthropic models and have basically no limits. So I am very familiar with what Opus can do. I also see the bills, I know what it costs. At home I make a point of trying other models / tools on my side projects. So I've been using OpenCode and trying tons of models via OpenRouter. I tried Kimi, Deepseek, MiMo, etc. GLM 5.2 is a _major_ step up from every other non-GPT/Claude/Gemini model I've tried. It'…

> To me this model is the "it just works" moment for open weights models.

For us, MiMo v2.5 Pro and Qwen 3.7 Max were already plenty enough before GLM 5.2 (which, like you say, seems like a step up). The BigLabs really have a big fight on their hands.

Re: GLM 5.2 vs. Opus

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Post by w4yai »

peddling-brink wrote: post #345
w4yai wrote: post #305

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The docs are really helpful : https://dev.synthetic.new/docs/guides/claude-code Glad you figured it out :) Let me know your thoughts about the quota and GLM5.2, so far I don't think I've came across against anything better, $/usefulness wise.

This whole thread sounds like an advert.

How would you recommend something you like & support then ? Of course it's similar to an ad, but except a mere $ bonus (not much at all, still nice but it's peanuts), I don't earn much from doing it. But yeah I get your point.

Re: GLM 5.2 vs. Opus

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Post by peddling-brink »

w4yai wrote: post #363
peddling-brink wrote: post #345

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This whole thread sounds like an advert.

How would you recommend something you like & support then ? Of course it's similar to an ad, but except a mere $ bonus (not much at all, still nice but it's peanuts), I don't earn much from doing it. But yeah I get your point.

> I don't earn much from doing it. But yeah I get your point.

HN isn’t the place for your advertisements. At all.

Re: GLM 5.2 vs. Opus

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Post by w4yai »

peddling-brink wrote: post #364
w4yai wrote: post #363

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How would you recommend something you like & support then ? Of course it's similar to an ad, but except a mere $ bonus (not much at all, still nice but it's peanuts), I don't earn much from doing it. But yeah I get your point.

> I don't earn much from doing it. But yeah I get your point. HN isn’t the place for your advertisements. At all.

Well, too bad because half of HN are ads and self-promotion, lol. I'm only suggesting a service that was good with me. I'm not even the CEO or anything trying to convince you to use my service. I'm a happy customer and I enjoy sharing a good experience when a service is good. That's it. Don't use the affiliate link if you don't want to, I don't care.

Re: GLM 5.2 vs. Opus

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Post by Lutger »

WarmWash wrote: post #204
twobitshifter wrote: post #145

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Taking a view from outside the USA, European companies just had Fable taken away due to US export controls, and before that Anthropic announced it is holding their data for 30 days. There is immediate value to these firms to build their infrastructure around an AI that won’t be pulled away from them. And outside of Europe, other countries are more price sensitive and don’t have the same fear of building relationships…

There is no such thing as a relationship with "chinese companies". In China there is just the State, and that is it. If the world needs any more evidence of Europe's short-sightedness, it would be them running to China to spite the US (instead of creating fertile grounds for their own tech).

No doubt there are some feelings involved in geopolitics. However, if your mental model of global trade and politics doesn't go beyond comparing Europe to a toddler having tantrum, then you just might miss some important nuances.

Re: GLM 5.2 vs. Opus

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Post by Lutger »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #188
twobitshifter wrote: post #145

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Taking a view from outside the USA, European companies just had Fable taken away due to US export controls, and before that Anthropic announced it is holding their data for 30 days. There is immediate value to these firms to build their infrastructure around an AI that won’t be pulled away from them. And outside of Europe, other countries are more price sensitive and don’t have the same fear of building relationships…

And you have that guarantee from Xi?

You don't need no guarantee nor even trust if you have openweights, that's the beauty of it.

The real question is: what guarantee do we have from Trump that he won't pull away the software (and hardware) our society is built on?

Previously we could pretend to rely on the international order as shaped by the US itself, and as an extension on the guarantees of the US president. But with Trump, even Xi sounds like a standup guy.

So as Europe, we must scramble to disentangle the core of our societies from AWS, Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc. etc.

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