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Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by linschn »

nrds wrote: post #338
dang wrote: post #299

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It's not a question of painful - I'm happy to "admit" what's true, as best I can, and not what's not true. Let's see if we can sort that out a bit in the present case. HN is certainly curated - I've been "admitting" that since the day I got outed as a mod here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7494621 (March 2014) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7507229 (April 2014) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=79629…

> snark and indignation These are preference-based but you're pretending they're objective. I find _your_ comments to be full of snark and indignation more than any you respond to, but of course you won't agree. (But because you don't agree, that makes me objectively wrong, I know.) "Tonal arguments are ways of, frankly, policing working class ways of communication, and covering them in elite preferences." - someone…

Bourdieu ?

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by georgeven »

whatever1 wrote: post #75
electriclove wrote: post #30

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Google and Apple both need a culling similar to what Elon did with Twitter after taking over.

Google bloat gave us transformers. Apple bloat gave us a usable touchscreen only, pocket computer (famously an entire org within Apple had developed an iPod-based approach that was competing with what was released) The leaps forward need bloat. A startup can execute on specific vector direction way better. Now back to your point, what did X deliver with its lean ops? It seems that it needed 2 bailouts (one from xAI,…

innovation requires monopoly is a Theil one liner -- probably true too

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by fsuts »

mlmonkey wrote: post #277
deadbabe wrote: post #222

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Yes, but what about the audacity of it? Get paid a lot to join a company but then decide to get up and leave again 2 years later? He just wants to be passed around?

There's a possibility that he lost out in internal political battles, and things weren't going his way. Google is full of battle-hardened political warriors who will do anything (subterfuge, sabotage, etc.) to win battles. It is possible that a guy who just wants to build cool shit would feel like a misfit in such an environment.

But he worked there previously and is Intelligent so knew all that before rejoining?

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by fsuts »

He was one of the leaders and not the leader

And Deepminds Demis Hassabis was the single other? Or were there more?

So didn’t they get on? The latter is in London so time difference to put up with too

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by throwa356262 »

afavour wrote: post #42
gniv wrote: post #10

Wow. What could possibly have caused him to quit so soon after coming back? I hope this is not accurate but I'm afraid it is: https://x.com/signulll/status/2067446889956430273

https://nitter.net/signulll/status/2067446889956430273 for those who don't want to click the above

Thank you, I quit twitter 8 years ago and generally avoid twitter links.

Someone should write a bot to do this automatically. What is the HN policy on bots?

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by tomhow »

bbeonx wrote: post #303
tomhow wrote: post #290

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Please don't comment like this here. The HN guidelines ask us not to engage in political or ideological battle or use swipes like "comically stupid take". Same goes for your other comment in this thread ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48590901 ) – "sigh how are so many brilliant people this stupid?" adds nothing but venom to the discussion. Please read the guidelines and make an effort to observe them if you w…

the first post was a swipe, i'll grant you. probably shouldn't have said it. it was a knee-jerk reaction to a structurally fallacious argument that leaves no room for discussion: "i reject your stance not based on reason, evidence, or anything that you can interact with, but based on an new presupposition i've just now decided is true". though i'll admit the severity of my knee jerking was probably amplified by some…

Thanks. We don't take anything down (except in rare cases when a user explicitly asks us to remove one of their posts for privacy reasons). We just need everyone to make the effort to observe the guidelines at all times when participating here, no matter the topic or how they feel about it.

Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by [deleted] »

UltraSane wrote: post #333
frollogaston wrote: post #329

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Because that's what matters. The original Zionists aren't alive to ask what they think. Self-proclaimed Zionists are taking the West Bank and Gaza. In fact they've been kinda doing it for decades under previous governments, but more slowly. If there's some other kind of Zionism around, the most it's doing is complaining, and it's been outvoted. I have doubts about their ability to self-defend because otherwise we wou…

Israel actually LEFT Gaza. You seem biased to the point of just plain lying.

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Re: Noam Shazeer Joins OpenAI

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Post by sho »

fourseventy wrote: post #35
Insanity wrote: post #11

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Don't think it matters in the long run to be honest. The models have no moat, they are becoming a commodity. Besides that, Google is in a pretty good position, they're not bleeding money on AI like Anthropic/OpenAI, and they own product verticals where they can integrate it. Plus they have a mature ads-model which is what might actually drive a bit of revenue for LLMs.

I think the 'models have no moat' thing is overblown. Only like 3-4 companies in the entire world have cutting edge models, that means there is some kind of moat...

I think when you follow this stuff every day it's easy to lose perspective of the rate of change and these leads seem more profound than they really are when you zoom out a bit.

I'm no super-insider, I only hear industry scuttlebutt like everyone else, but I have about a 95% confidence that the last 18 months has just been about more and better, without any kind of real leap or breakthrough. More hardware, more data, better technique. Well, technique diffuses as people change companies, hardware can be built, and data can be gathered (or stolen!).

From my admittedly outsider perspective, the only years-long moat there is who has the most hardware. If you have the hardware, you can give away the compute to get the data (hello, subsidized subscriptions!). Technique can simply be hired. The only durable, multi-year advantage is the hardware.

So is that a moat? Sure, but it doesn't have a whole lot to do with the leading model companies of the moment. ASML is the real moat, and so it's ASML China is besieging, correctly (IMO) identifying that everything else can be caught up easily enough.

Check back in a few years...

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Post by DrScientist »

ttoinou wrote: post #92
ai_fry_ur_brain wrote: post #55

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Idk, football players actually make a bunch of people happy and entertained. 80% of the United States wishes this tech never existed. What they're working on is just making peoples jobs, skills obsolete and trying to invent machines that will concentrate the worlds wealth into the hands of the people who own those machines.

Very few people interpret football so much that the actual frontier work of the best players matter. Out of 30 friends I know who like football only 1 of them could explain what’s going on in the field technically. For most people, pro players are replaceable. Popular entertainment and unique progress of human civilization can’t be really compared either

> For most people, pro players are replaceable.

I'd argue that professional sport is the closest thing to a true meritocracy - doesn't matter who your Dad knows - you ability is there for all to see on the pitch.

And at the team level - if cosy cliques form, again - team performance doesn't lie - hard work, team work and talent is ultimately what delivers results on the pitch.

The other interesting part of professional sport is that the 'workers' have managed to capture more of the value than is traditionally the case - this is precisely because they are so hard to replace.

If you think professional footballers earn too much and are interchangable - feel free to try and get in the team.

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