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AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is perfectly safe as long as you keep your username a secret.

I try to use stars as my username, but a lot of places won't allow it

Yeah it’s one of those words that gets snapped up early, like https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=stars

Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Anyone remember the XZ and Jia Tan situation awhile back? https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20240320183846.19475-1-lasse.co... I can't quite put my finger on why but the entire time I was reading this I kept thinking back to that. It's entirely possible the actual targets were the volunteers and everything else was superfluous or tertiary. It's also an exception that proves the rule with regard to Hanlon's Razor. They eve…

I am reminded of Aaron Swartz

Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't. Sounds like they gave the robot an AWS key from an account that was already linked to a credit card. The robot decided to spin up an expensive setup prior to getting access, so the setup was sitting there costing money whilst it did nothing. If it had designed the setup but not spun it up until it had authorisation to join the network then it would have been much less costly an exercise.

AWS and Azure stress on spending limits you can set for each card... in their documentation ! Some gen AI and ML folks seem to see a way out to make things without reading any doc or scientific literature. Gen AI is a pretty clever bit of computing, but not witchcraft yet

That is false for AWS. There are no spending limits that stop usage and cost after some threshold.

Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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IMHO the overly-verbose default style of LLMs is the most annoying part of interacting with them, and I wish their masters would just tell them to be terse by default. Also, whatever happened to the word "its"?

It's by default so you use all those tasty tokens. Kinda wish there was a deterministic, mostly terse, language to interact with computers

Lisp

Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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Everything about this story, from the way it’s written to the self destructive outcome, reminds me of the “I hacked 127.0.0.1” episode from some twenty years ago. [1] a mirror since I couldn’t find the original: https://gist.github.com/Androkai/0a2602719fa72ce454d436bfe28...

That’s up there with the password story, hunter2.

https://youtu.be/SXmv8quf_xM

What's up YouTube, it's NextGenHacker101 and today I'll be teaching you guys how to see other people's IP addresses.

You can see what their connection speed is and what site they're on.

Type in Tracer T.

H T T P semicolon. Well, not semicolon, the little dot dot. Dot dot slash slash.

Ten people are currently using Google.

DallasTexas13, obviously his username.

Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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post #342

Anyone remember the XZ and Jia Tan situation awhile back? https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20240320183846.19475-1-lasse.co... I can't quite put my finger on why but the entire time I was reading this I kept thinking back to that. It's entirely possible the actual targets were the volunteers and everything else was superfluous or tertiary. It's also an exception that proves the rule with regard to Hanlon's Razor. They eve…

I am not sure giving everyone amusement qualifies as a psychological attack. Lol Literally, just another day on the internet.

Look up what zersetzung is and how it works. It doesn't matter if the target is a political organization or an open source community, the process is always the same.

Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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post #342

Anyone remember the XZ and Jia Tan situation awhile back? https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20240320183846.19475-1-lasse.co... I can't quite put my finger on why but the entire time I was reading this I kept thinking back to that. It's entirely possible the actual targets were the volunteers and everything else was superfluous or tertiary. It's also an exception that proves the rule with regard to Hanlon's Razor. They eve…

This certainly did strike me as a big scam. A few minutes in I was thinking "the LLM actor is going to ask for donations at some point here" and low and behold. There's the claim of debt, the call for pity, and the crypto address. SSDD

I'm actually somewhat disappointed they redacted the Eth address with Ethereum being an open ledger and all that. Following the money could've proved enlightening.

Re: AI agent bankrupted their operator while trying to scan DN42

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I really wanted to dislike the anonymous operator for the careless project (and the hilarious pomposity of the IRC subagent it spawned). Then I imagined the real-but-unknowable chance it was all set up by some kid just getting into computers, just seeing what’s possible, getting excited by a much bigger world at reach — and remembered my own expensive mistakes with long-distance BBSes & the like. I sorta hope for tha…

No. I don't know about the organization, but somewhere in this chain there is a flesh-and-blood human who deserves ridicule and or consequences, and furthermore -- discovering these people in situations like this is deeply important and must be done more.
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