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Post by bombcar »

taude wrote: post #292
robertjpayne wrote: post #269

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I'd still say getting 7 years of free OS supports for hardware is pretty incredible. All-in-ones like iMacs are always going to be wasteful on the environmental side of things faster because displays will outlive the usefulness of the rest of it by a large large margin. At least Apple does try a bit to be a responsible recycler and you can always take your old hardware to them.

How is the OS Free? It's part of what you pay for. I have a 11 year old PC -- running Cosmos now, and it's still faster than my hobbled M4 PRO with 48 GB, work mac with all it's corp spyware cruft on it. We should expect more than 7 years out of all our tech hardware. EDIT: I say this as a person who spent a couple weekends trying to get various forms of Linux running on a 2017 Macbook Pro, because it was stuck on VE…

In the bad (good?) old days Mac OS X cost money each upgrade.

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Post by bombcar »

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #85
2001zhaozhao wrote: post #74

I think Apple's cost efficiency advantages are really compounding now and it'll get increasingly hard for competitors to catch up. Everything they put in the product is either in-house or benefit from their scale and negotiating power. In the MacBook Neo's case, everything from the in-house chipset and scale (for stuff like aluminum body) and the more RAM-efficient software is working in its favor. I'd bet that a dif…

I think the clear demonstration of this is how small Apple's motherboard is for the neo (and other M series) compared to everyone else). It really seems like the PC makers don't understand the benefits of low power chips sufficiently. If you cap your chips TDP such that it can be cooled passively, you save money on heatsink, fan, vents, power circuitry (e.g. fewer capacitors), battery size, etc.

The phone makers aren’t making phones that are laptops. Apple is.

Part of this is the windows ARM not being where it needs to be, but part of it is lack of imagination.

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Post by protocolture »

noir_lord wrote: post #332
protocolture wrote: post #329

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Yeah I was an X1 Carbon True Believer for a while but I cant justify their current prices. It used to be 1200 bucks or so cheaper than the equivalent macbook (probably saying as much will piss off the "Thinkpads were never cheap weridos but thats fine)

There was a time the T series where the go-to if you wanted a good Linux laptop as well. I'm typing this on an old T470P (7700HQ/32GB/2560x1440) that is running my TV - it's uptime is measured in months (usually for a kernel upgrade). Just a stellar machine but the new ones don't seem to be worth the price. It is somewhat remarkable that no one has managed to get close to Apple quality by now . I think the major manu…

I think they can get to apple on quality or price but not both anymore.

And its not Wintel holding them back, Lenovo has their ARM experiment too, and its a bit average.

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Post by naikrovek »

Telaneo wrote: post #344
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There are 15W intel CPUs and .. they suck. Idle, windows and corporate “stuff” will put that at 75% utilization with no input from the user other than simply logging on. And the fan starts about 30s in and never stops. It’s embarrassing for intel.

And it's not much better on the AMD side! Like, the closest thing they have is the APU they put in the Steam Deck, which has a fan! I'm sure it would be a bit better if you put that thing in an aluminum body, so the heat can dissipate better, but after you've installed Windows on it, forget it. I can kind of imagine a world where a suitably low-power Intel or AMD chip can exist; they've got good engineers and can pro…

I have a Windows ARM pc at work (in a drawer) and it is much better on power.

The problem is that they shrank the battery so windows has the same 2hr battery life. Dumbest decision ever, Dell. Dumbest decision ever.

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Post by chillfox »

juancn wrote: post #24

I ended up getting two (one for each of my daughters). The thing about Apple is that as the "IT" guy for my family, its ecosystem is the one which needs the least attention from me. It really just works. They have used Windows and Linux before (my kids and wife, that is), but something is always not quite right and needs my involvement. These days gone 100% Mac, my interventions are usually initial setup and whenever…

I got my mum onto Apple devices (mac and iPhone) over a decade ago, and support dropped sharply in the first 6 months. These days it's incredibly rare that she needs help with anything, and she does more on the computer than she ever did.

The mac has helped her improve here computer skills and confidence in a way that Windows never did.

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

spullara wrote: post #359
bombcar wrote: post #355

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I had high hopes for the Surface but between the confusion (is it arm is it x86 will your printer drivers work?) and some questionable decisions, it fell flat.

which is crazy since the Mac has no problem running all kinds of old x86 junk

...huh?

Rosetta works very well, but only for those apps that are still compatible with modern macOS at all, and furthermore Rosetta is going away soon.

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Post by splitstud »

thewebguyd wrote: post #98
bigstrat2003 wrote: post #93

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It's much harder to manage Macs than Windows machines, especially if you are a Windows shop already (which most are). Microsoft is working on eroding the quality of their software, but for now the management tools they offer for Windows clients are simply unparalleled in the Mac world.

Sure, if you're still on-prem AD or hybrid. For orgs that have already moved to full Intune/EntraID, managing windows via Intune is still years behind a good macOS MDM. InTune still feels half baked.

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Post by bombcar »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #366
spullara wrote: post #359

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which is crazy since the Mac has no problem running all kinds of old x86 junk

...huh? Rosetta works very well, but only for those apps that are still compatible with modern macOS at all, and furthermore Rosetta is going away soon.

I don’t know what it was but the x86 version of Postman somehow got installed on my M1 and it was slow like a dog.

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Post by tom_ »

kasey_junk wrote: post #122
elorant wrote: post #104

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There’s nothing baffling to it. Windows PCs are upgradable. Apple won’t even give you a PCie slot on its $10k mac studio ultra to install a better network card or whatever.

I have never, in 30 years, working across big companies and small, had a computer hardware upgrade. It’s _always_ just a new box.

I've generally been given additional decent-performance storage every year or two when working in video games, fairly reliably the case since 2000, seemingly regardless of company size. Somehow each new project would always require yet more working space (again), and projects would often overlap to some extent.

Aside from that, almost always a new PC - almost! When times haven't been so good, I've had spot upgrades.

All of the above is just a question of running the numbers and minimising for cost, I'm sure.

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Post by msisk6 »

Kirby64 wrote: post #115
elorant wrote: post #104

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There’s nothing baffling to it. Windows PCs are upgradable. Apple won’t even give you a PCie slot on its $10k mac studio ultra to install a better network card or whatever.

What company upgrades their windows PCs? They give them exactly as shipped. IT department is not wasting time swapping out RAM or SSDs. And they certainly are not upgrading them over time. You just replace the entire PC if you go to 'swap' it.

I work for a little company called Boeing and all our PCs (desktops and laptops) are Dell and our IT center will upgrade SSD, memory, and even do repairs like swapping out motherboards.

Probably helps the IT center folks are actually employees of Dell and this service is part of the deal Boeing has with Dell. Lots of big companies have similar deals with their hardware vendors.

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