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DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by blowscum »

lenerdenator wrote: post #344
Nifty3929 wrote: post #306

China may be subsidizing this for now in a way that US companies can't or won't - but if they keep building power infrastructure and the US doesn't, then it will no longer require subsidy from them. It will simply be absolutely cheaper (including profit margin) to serve tokens in China. China is building for the future, while Western Democracies are afraid of the future, and of their own shadow.

> while Western Democracies are afraid of the future, and of their own shadow. Well, yeah. This is a technology that has the potential to make large chunks of the population unemployed. Chunks of the population that took on debts prior to late 2022 with the understanding that there would be a way to pay those debts back with their labor.

> Chunks of the population that took on debts prior to late 2022 with the understanding that there would be a way to pay those debts back with their labor.

I’m calling it now, the future is indentured servitude.

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Post by bobthepanda »

itishappy wrote: post #348
estearum wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Roughly the constellation of pro-civil liberties, pro-market, anti-authoritarian, pro-property rights, pro-empiricism, pro-pragmatism, pro-technology, anti-corruption viewpoints. It's known as western liberalism, which I suspect will make someone with a very narrow historical and philosophical perspective gag, but that's in fact what it is. Even the most wannabe fascists among us enjoy (as in benefit from and actuall…

> Roughly the constellation of pro-civil liberties, pro-market, anti-authoritarian, pro-property rights, pro-empiricism, pro-pragmatism, pro-technology viewpoints. Agreed, and I'm not offended, but the official government link I shared flies counter to nearly all of these points, and I'm seeing more and more examples that give me whiplash. DeepSeek and Mistral models can be self-hosted and tweaked to their users need…

I mean the current administration makes no effort to hide that it likes the idea of illiberal government.

Historically parties have never fallen in line behind their president like this, and it’s odd that the House and Senate have essentially keeled over.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by Alifatisk »

I wish they had a coding plan like Z.ai, Kimi, Minimax and Xiaomi (MiMo). So instead of paying per million token, I pay a subscription. At the same time, 75% discount is astonishing. I'll just topup and see how far it goes.

I remember when Z.ai had a deal where I paid 7$ for three months, good times.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by rjh29 »

Alifatisk wrote: post #363

I wish they had a coding plan like Z.ai, Kimi, Minimax and Xiaomi (MiMo). So instead of paying per million token, I pay a subscription. At the same time, 75% discount is astonishing. I'll just topup and see how far it goes. I remember when Z.ai had a deal where I paid 7$ for three months, good times.

Anecdotally it's costing the same or less than the typical coding subscription, due to the discount and the power of context caching.

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Post by skeledrew »

WarmWash wrote: post #330
nate8bit wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The biggest problem we face in the west is thinking our institutions are somehow different. Be critical of the product all you want, but don't pretend the exact same thing isn't happening here.

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> throwing a hissy fit over the court rulings

He'll of course executively order those pesky things out of existence in time, or find other workarounds as he currently is.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by rsync »

amelius wrote: post #284
FfejL wrote: post #278

Turing was half right. Pass his test and you haven't proven a machine can think — you've proven it can make us think it does. That's a far more dangerous thing to have built.

At least we're not thinking that it is God. Is there a name for that test?

The Davis[1] test.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_A._Davis

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TempleOS

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by skeledrew »

margalabargala wrote: post #342
bcrosby95 wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Put another way: if the average US citizen doesn't subsidize the costs of these trillion dollar companies, China is gonna come get you. Funny that you talk about being afraid of your own shadow. I have some exposure to utility regulation and from what I can tell some of the AI companies are "good actors" and willing to shoulder some of the burden. But others are pretty adversarial and want a free lunch.

> Put another way: if the average US citizen doesn't subsidize the costs of these trillion dollar companies, China is gonna come get you. The future is blatantly going to be electric. Between cars, heat pumps, ranges, etc, the quantity of kilowatt hours consumed will rise dramatically per capita because they are replacing burned fossil fuels. We don't need to subsidize the trillion dollar companies, we can settle for…

> not cancelling wind and solar projects

Tell it to the guy doing just that, as much as possible.

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Post by true_religion »

joewhale wrote: post #250
abyssin wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s good and cheap, but don’t talk about politics to it or it might trigger some sort of censorship rule. You can see it think, then suddenly erase everything and suggest to switch to another subject, without explaining anything. I also had it output some sort of generic message about how the news outlets are in the service of the people. Both times I was surprised because I didn’t make any sensitive requests, neith…

do most people use llms to chat about politics?

I once was doing unrelated work to politics, but Qwen3 said that my input had homonym characters to those in the name of Xi Jimping. It gave the strangest response twice before finally admitting the source of the error and allowing me to convince it that no, I was not trying to intentionally misspell the man’s name.

Re: DeepSeek makes the V4 Pro price discount permanent

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Post by inhumantsar »

cassianoleal wrote: post #115
wg0 wrote: post #13

If you have not tried DeepdeekV4 you're missing out. The pricing makes it unbelievably good. The chains of thought for Deepseek are very very interesting reads. Open code won't show them but do read them and you'll be surprised at how underrated the model is. My model usage is very low but I still do pay directly to Deepseek regularly as my tribute and contribution to them open sourcing their models as my gratitude a…

I live V4 Pro for certain things but I've been quite impressed with V4 Flash for coding. It's terse, to the point, tends to make few mistakes and is pretty fast.

same here. gpt-5.x medium was my default for coding and v4 flash (max) has completely replaced it. it's the first open source model that made me feel like I could just let rip and not worry any more than Claude or GPT.

When planning small-to-medium sized changes, I found that it was a little bit faster than GPT-5.5 (high) and produced equivalent results. on large changes its results were fine but GPT's were more thoroughly thought through. DS v4 beats the absolute pants off GPT when it comes tone and style though.

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