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Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by monocasa »

mrandish wrote: post #344
embedding-shape wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This effort seems less of a "Help us by buying our product" and more a plea for contributors as a FOSS effort, they want to do things like this: "Collabora + Flipper: Opening up the RK3576" https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/coll... , and are basically looking for developers and other technology enthusiasts to help them both with the projects themselves, and also try to network (socially) their w…

> to help us polish RK3576 support Having a few various RPi's (as one does), when they've been out of stock, I've looked into the huge variety of similar SBCs (OrangePi, etc) which can be even faster, with more ports and features for around the same money as an equivalent RPi. Many are powered by various RockChip SoCs, which extend up to desktop replacement-level, but the Linux driver support is usually lacking in so…

> I don't get why RockChip doesn't budget the money in the business plan to fund full driver support for at least some of their more capable chips. I guess maybe too many of these chips are used in non-OS contexts to be worth it?

They have drivers in most of these cases; at a bare minimum the silicon was tested by the DV teams, and that generally includes running drivers.[0]

The issue is getting drivers upstreamed rather than just languishing in the vendor BSP.

And the answer for why they don't get upstreamed by the vendor is multifaceted. First off, the drivers in the vendor BSP are simply not at a quality level that would be accepted upstream. On top of that, even if they were at the quality needed, practically that coordination with upstream is a decent amount of work. Additionally, their customers don't really even care about upstream in the vast majority of cases, but instead prefer some vendor outdated fork billed to them as "stable".

[0] Apple for instance is rumored to have an internal Linux distro (or at least kernel fork) for DV of their Apple silicon chips to allow the hardware teams and macos teams to work with fewer cross department dependencies.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by miellaby »

Why not a Yocto project for the software ? Embedded linux = Yocto or buildroot , not yet another debian fork. Same with the UI ; why creating a new stock when an ImGUI process with a DRM back-end is enough for a launcher

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by dcdc123 »

arjie wrote: post #307

I have a Flipper Zero and these guys made a great tool, so I clicked this headline because it said "we need your help". After scrolling two pages I couldn't find what they need my help with, though. I scrolled to the end and couldn't find it there either. If I'm being honest, I like their stuff but not enough to dig through 8 pages of content to find out what helping means.

  Links
  The Flipper Devices team is small. The project is large. We can't do this without you. Here's how you can get involved:

  Flipper One Developer Portal — the entry point into every sub-project. Browse sub-projects, find tasks tagged help wanted, read the contribution guides, and subscribe to our developer-focused weekly digest.
  X.com/Flipper_RND — project updates and announcements.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by ianstormtaylor »

embedding-shape wrote: post #314
arjie wrote: post #307

I have a Flipper Zero and these guys made a great tool, so I clicked this headline because it said "we need your help". After scrolling two pages I couldn't find what they need my help with, though. I scrolled to the end and couldn't find it there either. If I'm being honest, I like their stuff but not enough to dig through 8 pages of content to find out what helping means.

This effort seems less of a "Help us by buying our product" and more a plea for contributors as a FOSS effort, they want to do things like this: "Collabora + Flipper: Opening up the RK3576" https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/coll... , and are basically looking for developers and other technology enthusiasts to help them both with the projects themselves, and also try to network (socially) their w…

If anyone’s wondering why this replier is so angry, it’s because they spent a lot of time arguing with people further down the comment section over whether this article is too heavily written by AI. (I'd say it is.)

It probably irked them to find the top comment had no mention of AI, but is still getting at the same root problem… the article is 2-3x longer than it could be, with lots of rambling and repetition, so it makes for a frustrating read.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by robotnikman »

>We say "truly open" because the current state of ARM Linux is depressing. Every vendor bolts on their own custom mess: closed boot blobs, vendor-specific patches, "board support packages" that nobody outside the chip maker can really understand. You can no longer just read the specs and understand how computers work — you can only learn the workarounds for one specific chip with one specific BSP. We're sick of this ourselves, and we don't want to be part of the problem by shipping yet another product that just adds to the mess.

Too true, and one of the reason I like to use x86 for Linux when I can. So glad to see them push for this!

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by embedding-shape »

ianstormtaylor wrote: post #365
embedding-shape wrote: post #314

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This effort seems less of a "Help us by buying our product" and more a plea for contributors as a FOSS effort, they want to do things like this: "Collabora + Flipper: Opening up the RK3576" https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/coll... , and are basically looking for developers and other technology enthusiasts to help them both with the projects themselves, and also try to network (socially) their w…

If anyone’s wondering why this replier is so angry, it’s because they spent a lot of time arguing with people further down the comment section over whether this article is too heavily written by AI. (I'd say it is.) It probably irked them to find the top comment had no mention of AI, but is still getting at the same root problem… the article is 2-3x longer than it could be, with lots of rambling and repetition, so it…

> If anyone’s wondering why this replier is so angry

Angry? I'm guessing it's the last part that made me seem angry, I'm not though, just human, and tired of people who say they want to help yet seemingly reading is too much. A bit of straightforward language seems more effective at communicating this, than dancing around the issue.

And why on earth would I care if the top comment mentions AI? I don't even read HN comments in the "points" order, I read comments in chronological order...

Why the vendetta, did I say something annoying to you in the other thread or what's going on?

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by petu »

armchairhacker wrote: post #52
bonsai_spool wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The AI writing doesn’t help. Why do you say there is AI writing?

> So today we're going public not with a big shiny announcement, but to tell the whole story straight. Honestly? We're genuinely terrified, and we need your help. > Flipper Zero and Flipper One operate at different protocol layers [below a graphic with features like "Power Bank". Do they know what a "protocol layer" is or do I not?] > Flipper One isn't an upgrade to Flipper Zero — it's a completely different project…

> But looking closer, I actually suspect it’s not AI, the author just integrated LLM-isms into their style.

I think his native/first language is Russian -- em dashes are widely used (e.g. most definitions start with it, look at any Wikipedia article), quite a lot of people learn how to type proper em dashes and do so even in casual chats (a bit of self-proclaimed elitist sign).

edit: actually switching languages on Wikipedia and it almost seems like some USSR influence -- Ukrainian, Belarusian, Georgian, Azerbaijani, Kazakh, Uzbek and Tajik language pages start with em dash. Turkmen, Kyrgyz and Lithuanian uses eN dash. Armenian, Estonian and Latvian don't start with dash.

For non-ex-USSR countries/titular languages I found only Polish to start with eN dash.

Re: Flipper One – we need your help

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Post by dylan604 »

jjkaczor wrote: post #346
dylan604 wrote: post #337

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that's crazy to you, let me introduce you to Juicero: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juicero

Am so "teh old", that honestly - I can't say whether or not that product was worse than the "CueCat": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CueCat (Naw - the CueCat was better, at least it was a generic barcode scanner)

I love that Belo was so involved in this epic failure. They are one of those large media companies I love to hate on. It probably helps to be a Dallas native to have that sentiment though
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