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Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by Gigachad »

GaggiX wrote: post #139
LetsGetTechnicl wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gen AI is unprofitable, especially at the insanely cheap rates they've been offering to get people in the door. So expect more increases in the future.

If you don't need SOTA or near SOTA there are plenty of dirt cheap models, just look at Gemma 4 31B on Openrouter.

For all of the use cases being hyped you really do, and you actually need something much better than the SOTA models to do what we are being told can be done.

The small models are useful for small things like summarizing text or search but not much else.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by dragonwriter »

danny094 wrote: post #350

Codex is way better pricing than this lol

Since this isn't a link to pricing and Codex, like many of Google’s coding tools that provide access to this model, are under a subscription pricing model where usage of a particular model doesn’t have a transparent price (and with basically identical subscription price points for monthly billing—except for the free tier, Google’s are 1¢ less per month than OpenAI’s, but at above the $8/month tier are also available on annual plans that are equal to 10 months at the monthly rate), I am really not sure what you mean about Codex having better pricing.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by bel8 »

bredren wrote: post #208

Can anyone who has extensive, recent, experience with Claude code and Codex contextualize the current Gemini CLI product experience?

My anecdote: smart but too stubborn to be useful.

I have been trying Gemini since 2.5 for coding.

It is the smartest for creative web stuff like HTML/CSS/JS.

But it has been very stubborn with following instructions like AGENTS.md.

And architecturally for large projects I tested, the code isn't on par with Opus 4.5+ and GPT 5.3+.

I would rather use DeepSeek 4 Flash on High (not max) than Gemini even if they had the same cost.

I currently use GPT 5.5 + DeepSeek 4 Flash.

BUT I didn't test Gemini 3.5 Flash yet. And it seems, from another comment in this post, that the Antigravity quota for is bricked for Google Pro plans which is the plan I have. So I don't have high hopes.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by overrun11 »

LetsGetTechnicl wrote: post #260
npn wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is insanely profitable though, if you cut out r&d cost, plus the marketing and loss leaders. Don't let them gaslight you. Even anthropic who does not own any hardware still have a big margin providing claude models.

Then why haven't they reported any profits using GAAP (generally accepted accounting principles)? They all use ARR which is easily gamed.

They aren't profitable on a GAAP basis and no one claims this. This obsession over profits is misguided. These are hyper growth companies growing at a scale never seen before. It is both deliberate and uncontroversial to invest in growth rather than slowing down to produce profits.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by stingraycharles »

SXX wrote: post #27

> Create animated SVG of a frog on a boat rowing through jungle river. Single page self contained HTML page with SVG 3.5 Flash: Thinking Medium - 7516 tokens https://gistpreview.github.io/?5c9858fd2057e678b55d563d9bff0... 3.5 Flash: Thinking High - 7280 tokens https://gistpreview.github.io/?1cab3d70064349d08cf5952cdc165... 3.1 Pro - 28,258 tokens https://gistpreview.github.io/?6bf3da2f80487608b9525bce53018... Though…

3.5 Flash definitely got the synth wave vibe preference.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by esafak »

MASNeo wrote: post #128

Well, available for Gemini means these days that half the time they are “Receiving a lot of requests right now.” and so sorry they couldn’t complete the task. Luckily the model supports long time horizons because that’s what’s needed. /me likes Gemini a lot just wishing Google would add the compute!

Are you on a paid plan?

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by ls612 »

gpugreg wrote: post #342
ai_fry_ur_brain wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You dont understand the costs involved to run inference at scale Please go run some numbers.The hardware needed to Run Deepseek v4 flash at 20 tps for a single session is nowhere close to what is required to run it at 50tps for 5,000 concurrent sessions. Imagine what it takes to be profitible when running at 150 tps for 30cents per 1mm. You make less than 1k per month and the hardware required to run that cost 10k a…

> Please go run some numbers. - DeepSeek serves DeepSeek V4 Pro at 27 tps: https://openrouter.ai/deepseek/deepseek-v4-pro - At 27 tps per user, a B300 GPUS will give you around 800 tokens per second (serving 30 users): https://developer-blogs.nvidia.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/0... - That's 800 * 60 * 60 generated tokens per hour, at a cost of $0.87 per 1M tokens, or $2.50 per hour. - For input and output tokens, the…

Even not assuming Blackwell inference the $3.50/hr price is likely close to the marginal cost. The Deepseek R0 model is a little more than a third of the size of V4 and cost around $1/Mtok to serve at scale based on deepseek's blogs last year and Hopper rental prices.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by Gigachad »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #314
nightski wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Very little of what made the Flash culture so fun made its way into HTML5.

I dunno, the tools are kind of there. Browsers have canvases and JavaScript and SVGs and sound. The communities are around; they're just kind of dispersed. There's no one website that is THE place for fun stuff. Instead, there are dozens, and most of them suck. There's still fun stuff, though. I stumbled upon this bit of insanity just yesterday: https://tykenn.itch.io/trees-hate-you . It would have fit in fabulously…

It's not quite the same but it seems the people who used to be publishing flash games are now making indie games on Steam. With modern dev tools and engines it's possible for one person to make what used to be a team effort before.

The whole "friendslop" genre is what replaced flash games.

Re: Gemini 3.5 Flash

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Post by copperx »

SwellJoe wrote: post #166
GodelNumbering wrote: post #84

Per million input/output tokens: Gemini 2.5 flash: $0.30/$2.50 Gemini 3.0 flash preview: $0.50/$3.00 Gemini 3.5 flash: $1.50/$9.00 Interesting pricing direction. I don't think we have ever seen a 3x price increase for in the immediate next same-sized model (and lol @ 3 only ever getting a preview). 3.5 flash costs similar to Gemini 2.5 pro which was $1.25/$10

That's a lot. DeepSeek v4 Flash is just over a tenth the price, and DeepSeek v4 Pro is roughly the same price (currently heavily discounted, but will be $1.74). I mean, the benchmarks for Gemini 3.5 Flash are very strong, but at those prices it has to be. I guess the time of subsidized tokens from the big guys is slowly coming to an end.

They have said AI will be priced like a utility, meaning $100-300 per month or so.
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