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US inflation jumps to 3.8% as energy costs surge from Iran war

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Re: US inflation jumps to 3.8% as energy costs surge from Iran war

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Post by legitster »

lesuorac wrote: post #348
legitster wrote: post #104

BTW, the conflict is unlikely to resolve soon. The US has literally never honored a deal with Iran. Iran has no reason to negotiate with the US. The US either has to back down, put boots on the ground, or sit and wait. If the government survives, they had a quiet infrastructure investment from China they can activate to rebuild their damaged facilities.

Isn't it just Trump that doesn't honor deals? What did Bush / Obama / Biden do?

Going all the way back to the hostage crisis, the US never really held up their end of the deal. We were also quietly making inroads with the revolutionary government of Iran and then secretly backed Saddam Hussein in the Iran-Iraq war in 1980.

But the elephant in the room is Trump and the JCPOA. We just backed out and gave them nothing in return for them holding up their side of the bargain. Furthermore, we made such an embarrassment out of the other signatories that such a deal amongst western powers will never happen again either.

Re: US inflation jumps to 3.8% as energy costs surge from Iran war

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Post by tehjoker »

programjames wrote: post #296
tehjoker wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i dont understand why the hardliners are bad they were right. the war waged against them was threatened to be nuclear "an entire civilization will die tonight". the country threatening iran unjustly is indeed the great satan. no justification except for being egged on by our hyper aggressive expansionist apartheid proxy israel. we should pay reparations.

When the war is fought over literal nuclear weapons, you should not be so tongue-in-cheek about calling a war nuclear.

Iran has no nuclear weapons. The administration simply wishes to prevent Israel from facing opponents that also have a nuclear deterrent (Israel has nuclear landmines, briefcases, missiles, and neutron bombs according to Sy Hersh). A deterrent would radically curb Israeli aggression and maybe even end the genocide in Gaza. There is little risk Iran would use a nuclear weapon. This is pure western aggression.

Re: US inflation jumps to 3.8% as energy costs surge from Iran war

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Post by expedition32 »

cmxch wrote: post #309
khriss wrote: post #32

I can't think of a single way in which the United States came out ahead in the war. We have * Demonstrated that the US simply can't offer any meaningful security guarantee to it's middle east partners. * Permanently ceded de facto control over the straits of Hormuz to Iran * Significantly strengthened the hardliners in the Iranian regime and cleared the way for them to have absolute power by eliminating all moderates…

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Most people don't really give a fuck about Iran at all.

They do care about the cost of war and possible refugee tsunami though.

It's funny that Trump got elected on the premise of ending the "forever war" of America world police.

Re: US inflation jumps to 3.8% as energy costs surge from Iran war

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Post by runako »

opo wrote: post #290
runako wrote: post #103

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> long history of more wars from both parties Which wars were started by Democratic presidents in the last half-century?

Depends on what you call a “war” since the last time the US declared war was in WW II.. In terms of military operations, a partial list would probably include: Democrat Presidents: Bosnia, Haiti, Iran, Kosovo, Libya, Niger, Somalia, Syria, and Yemen. Republican Presidents: Afghanistan, Cambodia, Grenada, Iran, Iraq, Libya, Pakistan, Panama, Somalia, Syria, and Venezuela. It is outside the 50 year timeframe, but go ba…

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48109360

> go back another 10 years and you have Viet Nam

Eisenhower was a Republican when he committed forces to Vietnam.

Re: US inflation jumps to 3.8% as energy costs surge from Iran war

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Post by fatbird »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #281
NickC25 wrote: post #237

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US Aid has probably been the biggest ace the US ever had in its hand. US farmers growing otherwise unprofitable crops with no buyer? Check. US exporters being able to export crops? Check. US Aid workers being able to give food to starving people in countries that have huge deposits of rare earth materials? Check. US intelligence apparatus having advanced knowledge of developing situations in strategically important c…

Musk claimed that USAID was a CIA front as part of his rationale to gut it. A very strange thing for a defense contractor to say out loud.

I know, this makes me crazy. The response should have been "... and?! You mean the intelligence community has a worldwide network for raking local information that also accrues goodwill to the US, and you want to end that?"

Re: US inflation jumps to 3.8% as energy costs surge from Iran war

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Post by fatbird »

tehjoker wrote: post #362
programjames wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When the war is fought over literal nuclear weapons, you should not be so tongue-in-cheek about calling a war nuclear.

Iran has no nuclear weapons. The administration simply wishes to prevent Israel from facing opponents that also have a nuclear deterrent (Israel has nuclear landmines, briefcases, missiles, and neutron bombs according to Sy Hersh). A deterrent would radically curb Israeli aggression and maybe even end the genocide in Gaza. There is little risk Iran would use a nuclear weapon. This is pure western aggression.

Sy Hersh hasn't been credible for a long time. We know Israel has a variety of nuclear weapons, but don't trust anything Hersh asserts without credible independent support.

Agree with the rest of your point.

Re: US inflation jumps to 3.8% as energy costs surge from Iran war

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Post by mgfist »

dh2022 wrote: post #307
mgfist wrote: post #273

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> It doesn't. This is the western mentality, thinking you are dealing with sane people. I'm not talking about sanity. I understand that the IRGC is greater than the sum of the parts and that no individual life matters. I'm talking about the oil wells. The IRGC may not care about human life, but you need money to stay in power. Money that will disappear the longer you can't sell your oil and the more oils you have to…

Re: "I'm talking about the oil wells. The IRGC may not care about human life, but you need money to stay in power." US stopped bombing Iranian oil infrastructure after Iran responded by bombing and taking out a bunch of Qatar's LNG infrastructure for a good 3-5 years [0]. So this problem at least is solved for IRGC. Re: "I don't believe you. Do you have proof?" - you come off as un-necessary rude and aggressive. You…

> Re: "I'm talking about the oil wells. The IRGC may not care about human life, but you need money to stay in power." US stopped bombing Iranian oil infrastructure after Iran responded by bombing and taking out a bunch of Qatar's LNG infrastructure for a good 3-5 years [0]. So this problem at least is solved for IRGC.

It's not. The problem, which I already wrote in my original comment, is with oil storage. When oil flows, it needs to go somewhere. Before it would go on tankers and be sold to China (and a few others). Now, it goes into storage. But storage is not unlimited. And when storage runs out, the oil wells will need to be capped. If they stay capped for more than a few weeks, those wells become insanely expensive to reactivate, and might not be something the IRGC will be able to do.

This is the clock that's ticking.

> Re: "I don't believe you. Do you have proof?" - you come off as un-necessary rude and aggressive. You are assuming GP lies - and that is not a good attitude. You could re-phrase your question in a way to make people engage with you.

You made statements about what Iranians think. I want some proof, given that the internet is off in Iran and I have seen no reporting around the thoughts of the Iranian people.

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Post by mgfist »

watwut wrote: post #305
mgfist wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It doesn't. This is the western mentality, thinking you are dealing with sane people. I'm not talking about sanity. I understand that the IRGC is greater than the sum of the parts and that no individual life matters. I'm talking about the oil wells. The IRGC may not care about human life, but you need money to stay in power. Money that will disappear the longer you can't sell your oil and the more oils you have to…

> I don't believe you. Do you have proof? Iran is pretty damn closed off from the rest of the world so I have a hard time believing that you have some great insider knowledge about this. They are not entirely closed off. Apparently there is a communication going on around closures, because I have seen fairly inside Iran info in French media (about executions, about people leaving Teheran etc etc). They are more guard…

> And unfortunately, America made it clear it wants to harm average Iranian.

By and large this is not true. The US and Israel have hit Iran tens of thousands of times, and have never hit a pure civilian target on purpose. They've hit dual use targets, and accidentally hit civilian targets, but not ones on purpose. They could flatten Tehran if they wanted to hit civilians.

> Plus its idea of regime change is to keep regime intact and change head (see Venezuela), so there is no one who would had actual reason to want America win.

You're not entirely wrong here, and I've seen frustration from the US side that Mojtaba Khamenei is MIA (or dead).

Re: US inflation jumps to 3.8% as energy costs surge from Iran war

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Post by mgfist »

onlypassingthru wrote: post #318
mgfist wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're referring to China, that's a new cold war. Russia can't even beat it's much smaller, much poorer neighbor in a full on war.

And yet Russia somehow managed to get a puppet in the White House so...

The puppet couldn't even get Ukraine to surrender so idk how effective that's been
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