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Re: Cloudflare to cut about 20% of its workforce

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There was an recent article on X with an interesting take - it could be that companies are doing layoffs not because AI is making them more productive but because it hasn't . Their costs have gone up paying for expensive AI but haven't seen any revenue benefits to offset it. Article https://x.com/championswimmer/status/2051807284691612099

This is a great article, actually. It does gather many of the empirical data I have seen and felt but were unable to put into word.

Re: Cloudflare to cut about 20% of its workforce

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Most of the time, management don't even know what they don't know. As a result, entire America lost engineers and builders and now don't even know how to build rails, factories and rockets to moon.

Have you missed that they recently sent a rocket to moon?

Well, rails get made as well, I think the point was that a lot of things require reinventing knowledge that was previously known.

Re: Cloudflare to cut about 20% of its workforce

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In Sweden,the Employment Protection Act, (LAS ) mandates 'last in - first out', meaning if there are layoffs due to over-capacity, people with seniority (years of employment) take priority for available positions. This is kind of partioned by profession-group, so yes you can fire nurses but keep doctors, or other way around. (Its been a while since I looked into it, but thats the rough gist of it)

Yes, and that makes working for a Swedish company so much better. You know you can’t just be shown the door at any moment after years of service and you get a lot of peace of mind which is worth more than the inflated salaries in the US. There is still a way to get rid of people, of course, but that goes a little like the Japanese do: just don’t give any important work to the person, or give them a bad performance re…

Or if you really want to get rid of someone you can buy them out with a severance deal that is better than standard and hope they take it.

Re: Cloudflare to cut about 20% of its workforce

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>mass lay offs all over the place. what's the point of highering all those interns in the first place?? geez. If you don't hire them, someone else can hire them. Out of 1,000 you hire, one could be an "attention all you need" research paper writer, who could set up the next stage of innovation which you'll completely miss if you do not get anyone. Initially, you’ve got to starve out the market of talent to stop compe…

> Out of 1,000 you hire, one could be an "attention all you need" research paper writer, who could set up the next stage of innovation which you'll completely miss if you do not get anyone. I have worked with people of this caliber. The company did nothing to retain them, and the company did not retain them. Every time. Without fail.

I met a guy this happened to. He got a special award within the company, asked for a bit of equity, didn't get it, in fact got blacklisted and booted out.

Luckily for him it worked out very very nicely.

Re: Cloudflare to cut about 20% of its workforce

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post #348

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In Sweden,the Employment Protection Act, (LAS ) mandates 'last in - first out', meaning if there are layoffs due to over-capacity, people with seniority (years of employment) take priority for available positions. This is kind of partioned by profession-group, so yes you can fire nurses but keep doctors, or other way around. (Its been a while since I looked into it, but thats the rough gist of it)

Yes, and that makes working for a Swedish company so much better. You know you can’t just be shown the door at any moment after years of service and you get a lot of peace of mind which is worth more than the inflated salaries in the US. There is still a way to get rid of people, of course, but that goes a little like the Japanese do: just don’t give any important work to the person, or give them a bad performance re…

That also means that a) it's harder for younger people to get a stable job b) the bare minimum of work not to get fired decreases over time, which is bad for productivity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insider%E2%80%93outsider_theor...

Re: Cloudflare to cut about 20% of its workforce

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Both of those are true assuming the lay offs come from different demographics. You lay off 1100 who are late in their career for younger people who will work more hours for less. You're building the future with new fresh people instead of the "dead weight"

Being old doesn't always mean "dead weight". They are dropping experienced people, so from where are young people are going to get experience?

AI will mentor them /s

Re: Cloudflare to cut about 20% of its workforce

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Have you missed that they recently sent a rocket to moon?

Well, rails get made as well, I think the point was that a lot of things require reinventing knowledge that was previously known.

Or phrase it as reusing exiting tech because "it is cheaper" ending in having to reinvent it because all the people who designed it and made it have gone.

Re: Cloudflare to cut about 20% of its workforce

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This is awkward. Exhibit A - September 2025 - "Help build the future" - Cloudflare hires 1111 interns to "help build the future" [ https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-1111-intern-program/ ] Exhibit B - May 2026 - "Building for the future" - Cloudflare lays off 1100 people, about 20% of their workforce to "continue building the future" [ https://blog.cloudflare.com/building-for-the-future/ ] I'll finish on this quo…

Both of those are true assuming the lay offs come from different demographics. You lay off 1100 who are late in their career for younger people who will work more hours for less. You're building the future with new fresh people instead of the "dead weight"

You're almost defining part of, or the beginning of, the process of enshittification.

Re: Cloudflare to cut about 20% of its workforce

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Isn’t this illegal?

In the United States (where most Cloudflare employees work): > The Age Discrimination in Employment Act (ADEA) forbids age discrimination against people who are age 40 or older. To answer your question: Probably not. Even so, it is incredibly hard to prove workers 40 and older were laid off as a result of age discrimination.

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