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Mastodon, Discord?
Is Mastodon successful enough to be called "the future" of its niche? MAU is 1/3rd what it was at the peak, and bluesky + mastodon MAU combined is microscopic compared to twitter (I use none of these services, no dog in this fight, just looking at numbers). Discord is not federated.
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I was addressing the question of a use-case for a "federation of forges". Not any specific design or implementation.
That sounds more like you want better decentralization, like IPFS or BitTorrent, not necessarily federation between different forge instances. I'm not familiar with any existing federated system that would be resilient to government censorship. Certainly Mastodon and Bluesky aren't.
Usenet and Matrix are notable examples.
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In this case the benefit would be: - your data lives in one place, your Personal Data Server (PDS). You can self-host this if you like - The AppView (in this case, tangled.org) aggregates the data from many PDS's into one view. - If tangled.org enshittifies, you can do all the same things from any other AppView -- tangled.org itself is not privileged in any way. Social logins on independent forges help, but personall…
In this case the PDS is only storing social data though, right? The forge would still store the repository data itself.
Looks like that's where knots come in -- you could replace "PDS" with "PDS and knot" in my earlier comment and it holds true, I believe.
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The most valuable thing Tangled will ever do is establish the protocol of Tangled. Once that’s done, it lives as long as people are willing to run it.
Exactly. I'm personally slowly working on my own parallel "appview" of tangled that is accessible exclusively via SMTP, IMAP, JMAP, and eventually integration with a Lore + Patchwork frontend.
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Don’t they already have extensive block lists that you can “subscribe” to? I think some official blue sky account was added to some and they got super mad?
That's an additional (but closely related) issue. AFAIK those lists work at the user level to filter what you see, so while they aren't a network breaking "guilt by association" practice they're a form of centralized, lazy, delegated moderation that has outsized impacts on any borderline cases or false positives.
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Why is it a problem with Githubs infrastructure!? Bcs any website on the planet will struggle when they have to fulfill 30x capacity within 1-2y, no matter which tech stack they're built on, including federated networks. I'm not sure why you're throwikg Copilot in there, you don't like it? Github as we know it is gone, forever, it will never come back, except for niche hobby clones with .001% capacity that nobody wil…
I guess you’re right, in part I’m attributing the growth to Copilot and over prioritization of it alongside the AI feature factory galore and that’s where I’m coming from, but thinking again a lot of the acceleration of normal usage comes from AI usage through other vendors ending up in GitHub too. I don’t know their internals, though clearly they choose to tightly couple every major GitHub system to the AI offering,…
I like to talk trash about Microsoft as much as anyone, they made insanely bad product descisions in the past (copilot in ms word is one of many) but this is not one of them.
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So... basically the bad problem everybody was intending to solve in the first place?
As far as I know, Mastodon didn't really set out to solve that particular problem. But it does seem like ATProto did, as it seems a lot easier to move around in ATProto than Mastodon (and ActivityPub in general).
... wait a minute.
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Aren't we reinventing what were forums in pre smartphone days?
Those were all isolated places, where you needed an account for that specific forum (whereas you can use your PDS anywhere), where that forum held your data (whereas you hold your atproto data, and we all internetwork to see the aggregate), where you were subject to the moderation decisions of that forum (whereas you have control over your PDS (but not other people's clients)). Pretty unclear what your comment is try…