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Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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stogot wrote: post #323
nixon_why69 wrote: post #304

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Politics are different in China, certainly nobody is going to the press. But they also have a culture where lots of politicians have technical degrees, and they've gotten better results as far as government and science. You don't have the problem of "global warming isn't real for cultural reasons" in the first place.

Right, terrible example. China is the largest emitter of global warming gases and it’s growing. They don’t care for economic reasons, just like other nations don’t care for cultural reasons. Compared to democracies though, China also has added internal, domestically approved genocides, jail time for Hong Kong dissidents, IP theft, external influence ops, and are currently rattling to destroy a neighboring democracy.…

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Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by epistasis »

trinsic2 wrote: post #360
ok_dad wrote: post #353

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Maybe go back and edit or delete your other ignorant comments now that you’ve actually learned something. You sat here derailing the conversation for an hour because you lacked the motivation to look up facts.

I don't need to delete my comments. The stand the way they are. Im comfortable with making mistakes and being wrong. And btw its not a derailment to ask questions related to jurisprudence of this administration's criminal actions.

I agree with this attitude and think it's helpful.

In the modern age there's no one set of things that people have seen, no common base of knowledge, and the process in this comment thread was super informative in the sense that if I had provided some links to start, a lot of confusion could have been avoided.

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by rectang »

datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #358
rectang wrote: post #335

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With your focus on death as punishment — the day after an apparent assassination attempt no less — it seems we have less in common than I supposed. I’m not with you after all.

And if we find out that at least one of these assassination attempts was staged as a part of the greater kayfabe, what would your reaction be then? Aside from the point, my support for judicial executions due to treason against the United States is not support for extrajudicial executions, like the ones that ICE has been carrying out. I think Italy and Romania are decent examples of countries becoming better off afte…

Neither the Butler, Pennsylvania nor the White House Correspondents Dinner incidents were staged — that's conspiracy theory nutter nonsense.

(Not that there aren't elements within the Trump administration who might contemplate a false flag operation, but it will be obvious if they try it because they aren't clever enough to pull it off.)

Furthermore, both Ceaucescu and Mussolini were extrajudicial executions.

Nixon is a better precedent for the USA because it demonstrates that we're already capable of ejecting a criminal president without bloodshed. It wasn't a perfect process (the Ford pardon was terrible) but in the end Nixon still lost power.

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by Tadpole9181 »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #345
Tadpole9181 wrote: post #327

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Oh good God, I can't listen to this intellectual rot a single second longer. This is not a gray area unless you're intentionally pretending to be an idiot to steal power. Congress is the only branch allowed to declare war. Taking targeted military actions against another country repeatedly on their own soil with no provocation is not a "special military action" it's a fucking war. It's not funny or coy or clever to p…

All right, let's say that the current war isn't legal, and neither was Korea, Viet Nam, Grenada, Kosovo, Iraq, Afghanistan, or Libya. It's not what the Constitution says, but it's been that way for a long time, across multiple presidents of both parties. The current setup has gone from "only Congress can declare war, requiring a majority of Congress" to "Congress has to pass a War Powers resolution to stop the presid…

I got "rated limited" by HN after 2 whole comments. Rediculous.

Anyway, I agree with you fully. And I firmly believe the world would be a better place had we actually weighed each of those conflicts and voted to officially declare war or not. Those presidents knew what they were doing and should be tried for it.

Just like Trump should be today.

He's not special, but I'm not sure I can bring LBJ or Nixon back from the dead and stop the Vietnam War. Meanwhile this is an active conflict that can be stopped now.

Though I would argue that, yes, this time is different. At least those pretended to have a justification.

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by Tadpole9181 »

trinsic2 wrote: post #359
Tadpole9181 wrote: post #347

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The president does not have the right to make trade deals or tariff. Trump has tariffed basically the entire world, and is now paying that money back to... The family of his cabinet. The president does not have the power to declare war. We are at war with Iran. The president does not have the power to unilaterally dissolve agencies or reproportion or refuse their funds or budgeting. Yet the department of education is…

> So why can he do this? Because he can. And there's nothing you can do about it. And if you fight back there will be repercussions. LOL. We'll see. You sound like you want this to happen and you dont care about the outcome. Good luck with that. My alignment is to the common good. Im happy to work against a criminal that has no basis for these actions. We'll catch up, sooner rather than later.

Anyone who can read the above and interpret it as charitable to the administration cannot possibly be a serious person.

You asked a question and I told you the actual answer.

If you're presented with the option to resist and force their hand so you can try to challenge it legally, please do, I respect that idea. But not everyone is willing to make personal sacrifices like that. Of course, everyone should still make sure to vote.

But at the end of the day, we only have representation because of the implied threat of violence if we didn't. And it very much seems like that threat being implied is not effective in this administration.

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by ok_dad »

trinsic2 wrote: post #360
ok_dad wrote: post #353

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe go back and edit or delete your other ignorant comments now that you’ve actually learned something. You sat here derailing the conversation for an hour because you lacked the motivation to look up facts.

I don't need to delete my comments. The stand the way they are. Im comfortable with making mistakes and being wrong. And btw its not a derailment to ask questions related to jurisprudence of this administration's criminal actions.

Maybe you need to be less comfortable with being wrong and educate yourself about politics more before you comment a dozen times with misinformation then claim you’re totally innocent and were just “asking questions”. That shit is so common amongst trump supporters. Not sayings you are but you’re playing the same game as they do.

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by solid_fuel »

joe_mamba wrote: post #316
solid_fuel wrote: post #200

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> The country has a social credit score Yeah that is concerning. Glad the US doesn't have any sort of credit scoring system that might make it hard to get out of poverty. That would be really scary. Imagine if you had to pass a credit check to get an apartment!

Needless whataboutism to move offtopic.

You're the one who brought up the "social credit score" in a conversation about moving from America to China. The fact that America already has a credit system which locks people out of financial access in the same way is very relevant to the topic, not "needless whataboutism".

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by trinsic2 »

Tadpole9181 wrote: post #365
trinsic2 wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So why can he do this? Because he can. And there's nothing you can do about it. And if you fight back there will be repercussions. LOL. We'll see. You sound like you want this to happen and you dont care about the outcome. Good luck with that. My alignment is to the common good. Im happy to work against a criminal that has no basis for these actions. We'll catch up, sooner rather than later.

Anyone who can read the above and interpret it as charitable to the administration cannot possibly be a serious person. You asked a question and I told you the actual answer. If you're presented with the option to resist and force their hand so you can try to challenge it legally, please do, I respect that idea. But not everyone is willing to make personal sacrifices like that. Of course, everyone should still make s…

> If you're presented with the option to resist and force their hand so you can try to challenge it legally, please do, I respect that idea. But not everyone is willing to make personal sacrifices like that. Of course, everyone should still make sure to vote.

I dont see this as us forcing their hand.

I see this as them forcing our hand. We have all the power and they have none.

The longer we wait to get involved to make the world a better place, the worse it will get, for you and the people you love.

There really isn't a choice any more.

Re: Trump fires NSF's oversight board

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Post by trinsic2 »

ok_dad wrote: post #366
trinsic2 wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't need to delete my comments. The stand the way they are. Im comfortable with making mistakes and being wrong. And btw its not a derailment to ask questions related to jurisprudence of this administration's criminal actions.

Maybe you need to be less comfortable with being wrong and educate yourself about politics more before you comment a dozen times with misinformation then claim you’re totally innocent and were just “asking questions”. That shit is so common amongst trump supporters. Not sayings you are but you’re playing the same game as they do.

I was transparent in where I was at. You are making statements based on nothing. We are all human, we make mistakes, your the one with the problem if you cant see this.

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Post by CyberDildonics »

adampunk wrote: post #312
CyberDildonics wrote: post #105

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Not a distraction. If bad wiring starts a fire you have to put the fire out first, then fix the wiring.

You do in fact need to fix the wire first! That's a very important part of an electrical fire. Power must no longer be dissipated via the bad wire before you start trying to extinguish the fire. You don't need to do RCA and repair the cabinet but if you try firefighting first you might be in for a shock.

Power must no longer be dissipated via the bad wire before you start trying to extinguish the fire.

Says who? This is a analogy, try to calibrate to the conversation instead of making up nonsense while ignoring the context.

What you're saying isn't even true if taken literally, take a step back.

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