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Re: Meta tells staff it will cut 10% of jobs

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Post by matchbok »

33MHz-i486 wrote: post #103
matchbok3 wrote: post #59

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Layoffs are a very normal thing for businesses to do. There is nothing "cowardly" about it. Would you rather them never hire them in the first place?

its not “normal” when companies have 10s of Billion in net profit per quarter Axing low/negative ROI product lines, sure. But recently these cuts have been across-the-board and in product lines that are net profitable and have strong technical product roadmaps. Moreover they are firing longer tenured (expensive) engineers I understand they’re managing a transition to a capital intensive strategy but the whole era ree…

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Post by matchbok »

shimman wrote: post #354
singpolyma3 wrote: post #309

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Because hiring people and paying them a salary is somehow hurting those people?

No but purposely forcing economic hardship on people when you're one of the most profitable entities on earth will always be a shitty thing. I'm sorry but treating workers like replaceable cogs is disgusting behavior and I'm not shocked that big tech routinely turns to anti-worker devices to enforce control.

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Re: Meta tells staff it will cut 10% of jobs

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Post by 999900000999 »

Gigachad wrote: post #343
AlotOfReading wrote: post #334

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The "usual" process in big tech is a recruiter call, 1-2 technical screening calls (sometimes an EM call), then the main series of 3-6 domain knowledge interviews are done over 1-2 days. The latter are pretty grueling, especially when conducted on-site. Apple recommends you show up 1-2 hours ahead so you have enough time to get through security, for example.

That might be fine if they are offering incredible pay and conditions at a highly desirable company. But you get so many mid tier companies looking at Apple and Google and replicating their process without the pay or reason to put up with that process. I just eject from the interview process when I hear it's going to be so many rounds because I know there will be another company that's just as good that will get it d…

I had a 6 interview + take home ( which realistically took 2 days because I intensively studied for it ) loop.

Didn’t get the job. Got the vibe they were full of crap anyway. The salary range was never given. The business model, extremely easy to replicate.

The job I’m at now had a single 30 minute chat. Verbal offer 2 days later. And my co workers and boss are awesome.

Re: Meta tells staff it will cut 10% of jobs

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Post by jselysianeagle »

expedition32 wrote: post #218
swader999 wrote: post #37

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I'm guessing a lot of these large companies will have massive layoffs followed by slightly less massive re-hiring in 6 to 18 months.

Do people in the US enjoy that kind of bullshit? I'm not saying we have to go back to the days when people worked for a company all their life. But this constant chaos, fear and looking at job offers can't be good for morale.

> But this constant chaos, fear and looking at job offers can't be good for morale.

Definitely makes it harder to make long term plans/commitments. It was tolerable at least when the market was decent, ie, if you were reasonably good at what you did you could be confident about landing a new role before your severance ran out (typically within a couple months-ish). If this current state of the tech market is the new normal, where it takes many months of searching to land something, that alone will likely cause many to reconsider this field, I think.

Re: Meta tells staff it will cut 10% of jobs

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Post by xtracto »

janalsncm wrote: post #365

I wonder if the quality of YC applications will go up as more engineers find themselves in need of a job. It would really be poetic justice if some former employees of established companies went for the jugular of massive SaaS incumbents.

This really should be the case. If AI tools are really making it easier to build stuff, we should see hordes of new startups solving all kinds of problems thar were difficult or expensive to solve before.

I've been seeing this in the startup ive been for the past year. We are 20 people, and are solving fiscal reconciliation problems for HUGE companies in my country. Building thing that were just not scalable before.

I'm waiting for all the cool startups in both b2b and b2c that solve health, time spending or money problems.

Re: Meta tells staff it will cut 10% of jobs

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Post by shpx »

fragmede wrote: post #276
oytis wrote: post #269

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Apple makes cutting edge hardware, at least two operating systems and lots of user applications. Google makes search, cloud, a decent office suite with the largest mail server in the world and of course cutting edge AI. It's easy to see why either of them needs twice as many people as Meta

Whatsapp powers entire economies, outside of North America. And then there's Instagram. If we're going by that reasoning, Meta's undersized.

WhatsApp is one of the buggiest UIs I use daily. Random things like images/messages stacking on top of each other, seeing the HD and low definition videos as two separate things in favorites, never being able to view the HD one, sometimes the messages never scrolling quite to the bottom, just amateur level stuff, I'm a bit impressed with how bad it is.

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Post by VoidWarranty »

drivebyhooting wrote: post #247
pembrook wrote: post #243

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As someone who has worked at big tech (and interviewed fellow big tech workers), I can confirm this is pretty typical. People from Google, Meta, Microsoft, Apple, etc...it's all the same. Given the size of these organizations (anywhere from 100K-300K employees if you include contractors), there's a vanishingly small chance the individual you're interviewing had influence or responsibility over any important thing spe…

Given how inefficient Meta et al are, why do the pay so much more than the nimbler smaller companies? (Rhetorical question, I already know the answer: monopoly and regulatory capture) Of course those engineers would rather have more meaningful work if it came with similar compensation and work life balance.

Hard to motivate people to work on things that destroy society. Money helps.

Want to see how motivated Meta employees are? Watch how fast their offices clear out at 5pm on the dot.

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Post by apf6 »

thewebguyd wrote: post #47
swader999 wrote: post #37

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I'm guessing a lot of these large companies will have massive layoffs followed by slightly less massive re-hiring in 6 to 18 months.

Correction, the layoffs will be followed by massive re-hiring overseas in 6 to 18 months. The domestic jobs aren't coming back.

Offshoring has been a common practice for decades, it works great for some functions and not great for others. Why would it suddenly have a massive uptick in 2027?

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Post by -warren »

dnnddidiej wrote: post #256
-warren wrote: post #110

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So let me ask this. What is the perfect mix of inerviews and durations? If you ask my blue collar friends, the answer is one and however long it takes to drink three beers. If you ask any married person, the onboarding process (courtship) may last YEARS and consist of many interviews (dates). As an EM, ive always struggled with this one. Im about to invest some serious coin and brainspace for you, so I tended towards…

What does a pilot or doctor or cop do in terms of interviews, take homes etc.?

While I cannot respond as a doctor, I can respond as an EMT. Totally different. But heres the deal.

The person who is the most important to you on the worst day of your life is the emt. The interview was literally "do you have a drivers license, and are you grossed out by stuff?" The rest you learned on the job.

Weird how doctors are vetted but prehospital folk are not.

edit yes there is training, but it happens after hire

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