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Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by sneak »

I've long maintained that anyone who has a personal email address ending in @gmail.com is clueless, both about digital privacy/security, but also about society, history, and geopolitical events.

It was a decade+ ago that Snowden explained to us, with receipts, that the USG has warrantless access to everything stored in Apple (iCloud Photos and iCloud Backup are unencrypted and contain a copy of everything on your device), Google, Microsoft, Amazon, et al. You have to be an ostrich with your head in the sand to not be well aware of this at this late juncture.

You'd have to be a moron to let the feds read all of your mail without a warrant by default - any country's feds.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by avazhi »

izacus wrote: post #142
soganess wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, because the American ideal of our forefathers was FAFO? This is embarrassing to admit, but I miss the halcyon days when folks were still nominally pretending to be free speech warriors.

You can follow the ideal of your forefathers by changing those abusive evil laws. Instead of demanding that foreigners risk their head in protest.

I mean, I’d rather foreigners who demonstrate and cause civil unrest not visit my country - seems like a lot less trouble for everybody that way.

When in Rome.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by sneak »

jfoworjf wrote: post #5

This story is the one that finally pushed me to leave google. I moved off my ~20 year old Google account and deleted everything off their services including almost a decade of Google photos. I cancelled my Google one subscription for extra space. I'm now self hosting what I can and paying proton mail for everything else. I refuse to allow a company that will hand over data at the request of an administrative warrant…

It was 13 years ago that Snowden told us they were using FAA702 as the #1 source of sigint to warrantlessly obtain any data they want from major service providers.

Did you not understand it at the time? Did you not see the news stories? This isn't rhetoric, I'm genuinely curious. It's been public knowledge for a long long time that Google hands data over to the USG without a warrant (likely without even Google eyes on the request, via automated means).

What changed that this story was the one that made you react?

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by WesolyKubeczek »

pesus wrote: post #117
avazhi wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find the idea of a non citizen protesting and causing social unrest diabolical. Most international students, (whether studying in the US or Europe or Australia or Malaysia or indeed anywhere else) understand that their visa does not grant them the same substantive rights that citizens of a country get. That’s as it should be. I couldn’t care less about a non citizen’s non existent free speech rights, nor would I ex…

There is nothing in the constitution limiting the 1st amendment to only citizens.

I applied for a visa and crossed borders enough times to remember this: visas can be refused and revoked for any reason at all. And a border guard is within rights to deny you entry for any reason whatsoever.

Understanding these things made my life much easier.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by goosejuice »

tdb7893 wrote: post #155
goosejuice wrote: post #12

We could and should have better privacy laws, though foreigners will always be subject to less protection. That said, a lot of this comes down to a failure in education around privacy and the cultural norm around folks thinking they have nothing to hide. The intuition most people have around privacy, and security, is incredibly poor.

One thing to note when talking about "foreigners" is that many rights in the constitution specify "persons". So citizens and non-citizens theoretically have equal rights from that standpoint. So I agree in general but it's worth noting that he was supposed to have constitutional rights to speech and against unreasonable searches.

Yes, sorry, by foreigner I mean non-citizen.

Others do have constitutional rights, but the legislative and executive hold plenary powers in the realm of national security and immigration.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by sneak »

laweijfmvo wrote: post #178
eaf7e281 wrote: post #45

I still don't understand. Who gave ICE such power, and who is ordering them to do all this? To me, ICE's actions are similar to those of a private army.

The people. We voted for the people who gave the power, and we re-elected them. It’s really that simple. Is it “too late” now? maybe, but we had ~25 years since this all started post 911 to react, and chose not to.

Nobody ever voted for mass surveillance. There's no party you can vote for in the US that doesn't advocate for total mass surveillance by the federal government. Don't pretend this is a red/blue thing. The military-industrial complex is fully integrated with both parties in the US.

Re: Google broke its promise to me – now ICE has my data

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Post by RIMR »

xnx wrote: post #366

Weird to be more upset at Google about this than ICE or the other parties involved.

Weird to assume that anyone is more upset with Google than ICE about this when nobody said anything to that effect.

Weird to decide that you have to choose to be mad at one party or the other, and that getting mad at one party somehow indicates that you are less mad at the other party.

Weird to make this comment in response to perfectly valid criticism of Google by the EFF.

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