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Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by bachmeier »

ryanleesipes wrote: post #322

CEO of MZLA (the Mozilla entity that develops Thunderbird). One point of clarification, we don't get money from any source but our donors. After years of funding issues, MZLA was created by the Mozilla Foundation and the Thunderbird Council (our community governance body), to provide a legal/financial home for Thunderbird. Launching Thundermail this year (an email service) which we hope to help provide even more fund…

Thanks for posting here. This information is helpful.

I strongly encourage you to provide that information on the page asking for donations. Even if it's just one sentence with a link and even if it doesn't fit with Mozilla's corporate policies.

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by ryanleesipes »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #354
ryanmcbride wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since most of the people here who seem wary about how their donation is getting spent, I have a feeling that "mostly on devs" probably won't cut it for them, though I assume it's true. Have you considered doing any sort of year end cost reporting where you show percentages of what money went where? If it's going where you say it is I think making that information transparent would be a free win. (I know there would b…

> Have you considered doing any sort of year end cost reporting That very much exists, and is issued yearly. Consolidated Financial Statements 2024-2023: https://stateof.mozilla.org/pdf/Mozilla%20Fdn%202024%20-%20A... Expenses in Software Development (2024): > 290,448,000 Total Expenses (2024): > 588,215,000 Ryan Sipes, if you can read this, everybody online remembers the 2020 Servo team lay-offs, and the juxtapositi…

That's Mozilla-wide and includes the Mozilla Corporation and other entities.

We have 2023-2024 reporting via these two links:

https://stats.thunderbird.net/#financials

https://blog.thunderbird.net/2024/10/thunderbird-annual-repo...

We need to update the ratio for 2025, but it shouldn't be dramatically different.

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by ryanleesipes »

bachmeier wrote: post #361
ryanleesipes wrote: post #322

CEO of MZLA (the Mozilla entity that develops Thunderbird). One point of clarification, we don't get money from any source but our donors. After years of funding issues, MZLA was created by the Mozilla Foundation and the Thunderbird Council (our community governance body), to provide a legal/financial home for Thunderbird. Launching Thundermail this year (an email service) which we hope to help provide even more fund…

Thanks for posting here. This information is helpful. I strongly encourage you to provide that information on the page asking for donations. Even if it's just one sentence with a link and even if it doesn't fit with Mozilla's corporate policies.

We still need to produce a big report like this for 2025. But you can find MZLA specific info for 2024 and 2023 via the below links:

https://stats.thunderbird.net/#financials

https://blog.thunderbird.net/2024/10/thunderbird-annual-repo...

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by ryanleesipes »

ryanmcbride wrote: post #349
ryanleesipes wrote: post #322

CEO of MZLA (the Mozilla entity that develops Thunderbird). One point of clarification, we don't get money from any source but our donors. After years of funding issues, MZLA was created by the Mozilla Foundation and the Thunderbird Council (our community governance body), to provide a legal/financial home for Thunderbird. Launching Thundermail this year (an email service) which we hope to help provide even more fund…

Since most of the people here who seem wary about how their donation is getting spent, I have a feeling that "mostly on devs" probably won't cut it for them, though I assume it's true. Have you considered doing any sort of year end cost reporting where you show percentages of what money went where? If it's going where you say it is I think making that information transparent would be a free win. (I know there would b…

We still need to produce a big report like this for 2025. But you can find MZLA specific info for 2024 and 2023 via the below links:

https://stats.thunderbird.net/#financials

https://blog.thunderbird.net/2024/10/thunderbird-annual-repo...

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by ryanleesipes »

ternaryoperator wrote: post #336
kn100 wrote: post #335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thundermail is a great idea! I'd be more than happy to switch over assuming the migration path from say Gmail, Fastmail, etc was easy enough, and it supported custom domains.

I can see switching from gmail, but it would have to be really compelling to get me to switch from Fastmail.

What would get you to switch from Fastmail?

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by ryanleesipes »

XorNot wrote: post #350
ryanleesipes wrote: post #322

CEO of MZLA (the Mozilla entity that develops Thunderbird). One point of clarification, we don't get money from any source but our donors. After years of funding issues, MZLA was created by the Mozilla Foundation and the Thunderbird Council (our community governance body), to provide a legal/financial home for Thunderbird. Launching Thundermail this year (an email service) which we hope to help provide even more fund…

I've been trying to use Exchange support at work but there's an ongoing problem that the OAuth login screen can't display PIN prompts for things like Yubikeys. So I'd love to use the feature, but modern corporate auth defeats it currently.

I'd love to know more about what you are hitting. Care to open a bug then ping me back here? I'll put it in front of the right people.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Thunderbi...

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by ryanleesipes »

panny wrote: post #352
kn100 wrote: post #335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thundermail is a great idea! I'd be more than happy to switch over assuming the migration path from say Gmail, Fastmail, etc was easy enough, and it supported custom domains.

>Thundermail is a great idea! I think the synergy part is what is great here. Imagine thundermail is a FOSS server app. Imagine they implement things like proof-of-work for senders, and no PoW means the mail goes into a quarantine instead of directly in the user's inbox. That could fight spam, without the centralization and loss of privacy we've had in email. That hasn't happened now, because of the chicken-egg probl…

Sign up for the waitlist here: https://Thundermail.com

Also the Thundermail service is based on Stalwart (completely foss). We'll open source any additional relevant bits.

We also released the supporting services:

https://github.com/thunderbird/appointment

https://github.com/thunderbird/tbpro-add-on

https://github.com/thunderbird/thunderbird-accounts

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by efreak »

teekert wrote: post #8
mhitza wrote: post #7

Wasn't Thunderbird Pro the avenue for extra project financing? Why does it take so long to launch an email service?

Was going to say it's here, but it's not indeed, you can join the waitlist: https://www.tb.pro/en-US/

Would be very nice if the wait-list included pricing, given that it's apparently here enough to have a sign-in link.

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by Ritewut »

ryanleesipes wrote: post #358
Ritewut wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume if I upload my own key, the receiver of the emails needs to also have my key? I'm not necessarily trying to send encrypted emails to people. I would want zero-access encryption which means not even Thundermail knows what my emails are.

No, we rely on PGP encrypted email. What I'm talking about is the latter. Emails are encrypted with your public key before being stored in the database. (Our stack is based on Stalwart, you can read about how it works here: https://stalw.art/docs/encryption/overview )

Thanks for explaining the broad strokes. I'm a bit more interested now and signed up on the waitlist.

Re: Help Keep Thunderbird Alive

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Post by kmoser »

MoonWalk wrote: post #339
kmoser wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Filters are stored in a file which you can easily copy between computers: https://kb.mozillazine.org/Message_Filters#Export.2FImport

Thanks. But expecting end users to go online and perform a search to find out where the filters are stored on their platform (or platforms, if the source and destination are different) and copy them is pretty inexcusable at this point. I don't understand the opposition to filter import/export.

I hear you, but for everybody who wants to export filters, there's somebody who wants to export just something else (address book, messages, settings, etc.). There really is no end to it, and it's a PITA to cover all those cases. I'm pretty sure that's what plugins are for: if there's enough demand for a filter exporter, somebody could write a plugin.

Most people just want to export everything (e.g. to transfer their acct to another computer), and for that they can use the build-in full export (Tools -> Export).

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