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Who is Satoshi Nakamoto? My quest to unmask Bitcoin's creator

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Post by helloplanets »

DeathArrow wrote: post #342
gyomu wrote: post #312

Simple question for anyone who’s familiar with this world of journalism: how does the author and the NYTimes cope with the fact that making such claims paint a huge target on the person they claim to have “unmasked”? Satoshi’s wallets are worth hundreds of millions of dollars, and there have been kidnappings/torture/murders for much less than that. Do they just not care about the ethical implications? And really, for…

>Satoshi’s wallets are worth hundreds of millions of dollars, and there have been kidnappings/torture/murders for much less than that. So if Forbes publishes a list of the richest people in the world, it makes them targets?

Sadly it does. Most of those people have to spend a lot of money on security. But usually it's not the Forbes list that specifically outs them as being wealthy. You can't really build a billion dollar company under the radar.

This is just a strange situation where someone has made billions without their identity being known, without being a criminal.

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Post by adastra22 »

olalonde wrote: post #235
eddiewithzato wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at his comment here, then you will realize why it’s definitely Back. And why he certainly would never claim to be satoshi https://xcancel.com/adam3us/status/2041816020776611935?s=46

I didn't realize anything. Everyone and their mother has been saying that about Satoshi since day one... Also, Adam would have infinitely more to gain from being Satoshi than from Satoshi remaining unknown. He's been trying to take credit for Bitcoin ever since he realized that Bitcoin was actually worth something (he initially dismissed it). All his actions point to someone who's largely motivated by financial gain…

And your HN account was created right between the release of the white paper and Bitcoin 0.1. Coincidence? Are you Satoshi?!?

That’s about the level of investigative journalism performed by NYT here. Thanks for being sensible.

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Post by chii »

bluecalm wrote: post #341
gyomu wrote: post #312

Simple question for anyone who’s familiar with this world of journalism: how does the author and the NYTimes cope with the fact that making such claims paint a huge target on the person they claim to have “unmasked”? Satoshi’s wallets are worth hundreds of millions of dollars, and there have been kidnappings/torture/murders for much less than that. Do they just not care about the ethical implications? And really, for…

I was thinking along the same lines. Isn't it just doxxing? Going deep into someone's online history and making hypothesis about who they are in real life, then publishing their name and what they do?

Indeed, unless they're already a public person (such as celebrity or public figure of note).

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Post by aaa_aaa »

DeathArrow wrote: post #342
gyomu wrote: post #312

Simple question for anyone who’s familiar with this world of journalism: how does the author and the NYTimes cope with the fact that making such claims paint a huge target on the person they claim to have “unmasked”? Satoshi’s wallets are worth hundreds of millions of dollars, and there have been kidnappings/torture/murders for much less than that. Do they just not care about the ethical implications? And really, for…

>Satoshi’s wallets are worth hundreds of millions of dollars, and there have been kidnappings/torture/murders for much less than that. So if Forbes publishes a list of the richest people in the world, it makes them targets?

When you are not actually rich, it matters.

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Post by chii »

DeathArrow wrote: post #342
gyomu wrote: post #312

Simple question for anyone who’s familiar with this world of journalism: how does the author and the NYTimes cope with the fact that making such claims paint a huge target on the person they claim to have “unmasked”? Satoshi’s wallets are worth hundreds of millions of dollars, and there have been kidnappings/torture/murders for much less than that. Do they just not care about the ethical implications? And really, for…

>Satoshi’s wallets are worth hundreds of millions of dollars, and there have been kidnappings/torture/murders for much less than that. So if Forbes publishes a list of the richest people in the world, it makes them targets?

No, because those people are already public figures. They own companies that are publicly known (i don't mean publicly traded), and thus by proxy, are public face of those companies.

Or they appear(ed) in public to make something of being in public (such as lobbying, or civic activities, or philanthropy etc). This makes any article about them not a doxx - they already revealed themselves publicly. You cannot segregate public affairs of the person with private affairs.

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Post by djao »

vzaliva wrote: post #101
djao wrote: post #34

The refusal to provide email metadata is the most damning evidence. Adam Back clearly has the emails; he is the one who provided them in the first place during the previous court case. Everyone knows he has the emails. If Adam Back and Satoshi are two different people, the metadata should be exculpatory, and easy to share. There's literally no reason whatsoever to hide the metadata unless he is the one. In a court of…

What would it show? If he logged in to Santoshi's email account and sent an email to his personal account, the metadata would be in order, and we would learn little from it.

You have it backwards. The fact that he doesn't release the metadata is interesting. If he had released the metadata, it would be wholly uninteresting.

I don't think the emails exist. What was published in court records, lacking metadata, could easily be forged. The metadata is harder to forge. Not impossible, but harder, especially long after the fact.

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Post by Topfi »

righthand wrote: post #350
anamax wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if this guy isn't Satoshi? And if he comes to harm as a result of someone believing the NYT?

Then the person who harmed him will be prosecuted. And life will go on. The NY Times isn’t calling for violence.

Harm from exposure can take a lot of shapes and sizes that go beyond the physical and the potential prosecution that someone may be held accountable I find weak.

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Post by chii »

righthand wrote: post #350
anamax wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if this guy isn't Satoshi? And if he comes to harm as a result of someone believing the NYT?

Then the person who harmed him will be prosecuted. And life will go on. The NY Times isn’t calling for violence.

> Then the person who harmed him will be prosecuted ... NY Times isn’t calling for violence.

And the negligent driver also didn't mean to cause injury, yet we have laws on negligent driving.

If the NY Times would have known that harm could come to someone by having information published, they should consult and/or take measures to prevent that harm (or at least, take measures to minimize it).

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Post by yreg »

righthand wrote: post #350
anamax wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And if this guy isn't Satoshi? And if he comes to harm as a result of someone believing the NYT?

Then the person who harmed him will be prosecuted. And life will go on. The NY Times isn’t calling for violence.

And yet they would be responsible.

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Post by adastra22 »

kgeist wrote: post #9
kaladin-jasnah wrote: post #3

> I’d learned enough by then to know that P.G.P. relies on public-key cryptography. > So does Bitcoin. A Bitcoin user has two keys: a public key, from which an address is derived that acts as a digital safe deposit box; and a private key, which is the secret combination used to unlock that box and spend the coins it contains. > How interesting, I thought, that Mr. Back’s grad-school hobby involved the same cryptograp…

>I read up to here, but I wasn't convinced that this is the revelation that the author claims The rest of the arguments is as weak: 1) both released open-source software 2) both don't like spam 3) both like using pseudonyms online 4) both love freedom 5) both are anti-copyright etc. Basically, the author found that Adam Back used the same words on X as Satoshi did in some emails (including such rare words as "dang,"…

TIL I am Satoshi.
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