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AI singer now occupies eleven spots on iTunes singles chart

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Re: AI singer now occupies eleven spots on iTunes singles chart

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Post by IAmBroom »

danielEM wrote: post #349
Lio wrote: post #326

This looks like a great way to launder money. Write some generic AI music, have have your small accounts using stolen giftcards bought with dirty money pump the track and watch it climb the charts as other jump on the band wagon. Et voilà instant layering with no connections. I'm pretty sure this is exactly how all the music I don't like gets into the charts. :P

You saying it like there are no other easy ways to launder money. Every time I walk by a cleaning service or hairdresser in a less dense populated area I wonder if they are involved in money launderinng.

You saying it like those areas don't need cleaning or hairdressers.

Re: AI singer now occupies eleven spots on iTunes singles chart

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Post by johanvts »

chromacity wrote: post #115

I find the production and consumption of AI music to be uniquely... anti-human. You can make utilitarian arguments for most other uses of AI. For example, the code you're generating didn't exist before, and it would take serious time or money to write it. So, I get it, the economic argument is compelling enough. But music? There's basically an inexhaustible supply of human-created tracks that can be accessed for next…

https://theonion.com/humanity-still-producing-new-art-as-tho...

Re: AI singer now occupies eleven spots on iTunes singles chart

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Post by bobthepanda »

jabroni_salad wrote: post #360
slyall wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty common for authors to get people to pre-order their books so when they go on sale they top the chart for that day (the book's release day) in their category.

Not even just for their category. "NYT bestsellers" has been manipulated like this since inception.

NYT bestsellers is also not a sales volume chart, there is an editorial lens to it as well

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Post by joquarky »

yoz-y wrote: post #243

Auto play has been a way for me to find new music. I stopped using it because now every listen is accompanied by a a nagging feeling that the song that is playing might be AI generated. Now I just go and look for new albums from bands I know I like. I wish there was a pre-2023 filter for the algorithmic feed.

This is a seed of OCD. Don't let it grow or it can ruin everything.

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Post by [deleted] »

danielEM wrote: post #349
Lio wrote: post #326

This looks like a great way to launder money. Write some generic AI music, have have your small accounts using stolen giftcards bought with dirty money pump the track and watch it climb the charts as other jump on the band wagon. Et voilà instant layering with no connections. I'm pretty sure this is exactly how all the music I don't like gets into the charts. :P

You saying it like there are no other easy ways to launder money. Every time I walk by a cleaning service or hairdresser in a less dense populated area I wonder if they are involved in money launderinng.

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Re: AI singer now occupies eleven spots on iTunes singles chart

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Post by _the_inflator »

I really don't get it. Mundus vult decipi.

Since the Monkeys we all know, there won't be another Elvis Presley - I advise you to look him up, it is massively impressive, what this guy achieved and what records he holds.

Or put another way: what is music? What ain't artificial in music? Is a drum already artificial? Or an e guitar? Playback? Studio music?

The divide between a band and a song writer?

People trashed techno music in Germany during the early 90th as being "machine music without a soul, totally artificial, a computer is doing everything". Kraftwerk on the other hand, was quite the opposite. It is mind blowing, that they had to construct the hardware they were getting their sound of.

But no matter what, techno of the 90th appear to be true craftsmanship in comparison to todays music. Like the 30th Big Bands vs 60th Rock music. I don't imply to say "Everything used to be better." Nothing could be further from the truth. The thing is, some things actually never change except for the medium.

I stopped caring. We are all victim and perpetrator at the same time. You use AI - oh well, cheater I would say.

Women painting their faces - well...

Ever since people went un-natural to be civilized to paraphrase Karl Popper.

I made a cut off regarding literature. I mainly read the classics where no AI was available - but only an editor.

It is tougher than ever but I stopped being judgmental. I try to do, what is expressed with "The bait must appeal to the fish, not the angler." Mundus vult decipi.

We called out WWF for being scripted entertainment while going to the cinema expecting that the hero would actually really die during the first dramatic 5 minutes in the movie - oh well...

Enjoy! If it sounds good, who cares? If someones earns a buck, so what? We pay for Naked Canon etc. just to let lose. :)

Re: AI singer now occupies eleven spots on iTunes singles chart

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Post by Lio »

danielEM wrote: post #349
Lio wrote: post #326

This looks like a great way to launder money. Write some generic AI music, have have your small accounts using stolen giftcards bought with dirty money pump the track and watch it climb the charts as other jump on the band wagon. Et voilà instant layering with no connections. I'm pretty sure this is exactly how all the music I don't like gets into the charts. :P

You saying it like there are no other easy ways to launder money. Every time I walk by a cleaning service or hairdresser in a less dense populated area I wonder if they are involved in money launderinng.

Undoubtedly! I haven't trusted hairdressers for 20 years. I have no idea why people would need to spend money in such establishments. :P

Re: AI singer now occupies eleven spots on iTunes singles chart

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Post by jb1991 »

bsenftner wrote: post #320

You could say I'm a music snob, big time. I can't stand any of the streaming services, because they only have a small fraction of my favorites (which is variations of discord jazz, often in other genres. I like when music decomposes into noise and then restructures again.) Due to my interest there, I've done a deep hole with AI music generation, not the services, but developing the models and exploring the open weigh…

My take is that it will be somewhat similar though perhaps more complex to using sample based libraries, whether it’s for electronic music, symphonic loops, etc., I feel like this will just be the next generation of that kind of music making. I find it very unlikely that it will replace the kind of music making that comes from playing actual instruments and recording them from a live human player but it could still be interesting in its own right.

Re: AI singer now occupies eleven spots on iTunes singles chart

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Post by cheq »

topherhunt wrote: post #283
yoz-y wrote: post #243

Auto play has been a way for me to find new music. I stopped using it because now every listen is accompanied by a a nagging feeling that the song that is playing might be AI generated. Now I just go and look for new albums from bands I know I like. I wish there was a pre-2023 filter for the algorithmic feed.

I'm sorry but this attitude baffles me, and I think it's the sort of thing that will sound so silly in 20 years that we'll have collectively memory-holed it. If you're turned off from listening to Spotify recoms becausue they _might_ be AI and you _might_ not know, what does that say to you about the disconnect between your aesthetic judgment and your values? If you're listening to Spotify autoplays and a shitty song…

when you think there's an AI behind what you are enjoying, it destroys every sense of purpose, and the only goal is clicks and time listened (not trasncendence, recognition, share of emotions or histories), so the "enjoyer" becomes more like a user or consumer than an human enjoying art

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Post by dan-bailey »

Lio wrote: post #367
danielEM wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You saying it like there are no other easy ways to launder money. Every time I walk by a cleaning service or hairdresser in a less dense populated area I wonder if they are involved in money launderinng.

Undoubtedly! I haven't trusted hairdressers for 20 years. I have no idea why people would need to spend money in such establishments. :P

Now those old-timey photo places in every mall in the U.S.? Definitely a money-laundering front.
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