Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

bsky.app

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

361–370 of 379 posts

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

#361

Post by Bender »

notorandit wrote: post #284

The point is not running Windows or Outlook on a PC in space. The point is that the Software was not sealed, downloading upgrades while in space, sending telemetry back to Microsoft (or to whoever else). Those PC are like any other instrument onboard the spacecraft: it's status needs to be known and predictable by NASA. Not to talk about the amount of unknown and unpredictable extra traffic caused by those PCs onto t…

Not just space. There was a time around 2000 or so when US military tanks were running Windows NT and they did what one would expect, BSOD Blue Screen of Death. No idea if that ever resulted in casualties.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

#362

Post by zelphirkalt »

krisoft wrote: post #179
liendolucas wrote: post #39

Is this actually true? What's next? A BSOD? I would have ever ever in my life bet that Microsoft software could be shipped in a spacecraft carrying human beings. Unbeliveable.

> I would have ever ever in my life bet that Microsoft software could be shipped in a spacecraft carrying human beings. Do you also worry when you are flying on an airplane where some other passengers carry a laptop running windows? Just because it is a computer and it is on a spacecraft doesnt mean it will harm human beings if it goes down.

If there was a possibility to hook that device up to any flight critical other stuff, or carry it in the cockpit maybe I would be worried. (am not the GP)

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

#363

Post by m3047 »

raverbashing wrote: post #291
notorandit wrote: post #284

The point is not running Windows or Outlook on a PC in space. The point is that the Software was not sealed, downloading upgrades while in space, sending telemetry back to Microsoft (or to whoever else). Those PC are like any other instrument onboard the spacecraft: it's status needs to be known and predictable by NASA. Not to talk about the amount of unknown and unpredictable extra traffic caused by those PCs onto t…

> it's status needs to be known and predictable by NASA Ah yes but do you think MS gives a flap about this? Same thing with the recent Fedramp certification. "Hey they're using it so we might as well certify"

Microsoft beleaguered a federal agency which pretends to be a lot larger than it is (and has a lot of help doing it) with nonresponsive filings. The employees of that agency, FedRAMP, referred to Azure as "a pile of shit" but ultimately approved it anyway.

   https://www.propublica.org/article/microsoft-cloud-fedramp-cybersecurity-government
It's hard to find hard numbers (I looked), but in the "FedRAMP over 10 years" chart partway down in this article FedRAMP themselves claims to have approximately 25 employees, which (I infer prior to DOGE) was augmented to approximately 80 staff with contractors.

   https://www.fedramp.gov/2025-09-30-fedramp-built-a-modern-foundation-in-fy25-to-deliver-massive-improvements-in-fy26/

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

#364

Post by thebruce87m »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #202
xg15 wrote: post #151

Moon landing 1969: 4 KB RAM for the guidance computer is enough. Moon landing 2026: Two instances of MS Outlook sort of started themselves on the guidance computer and we have no idea why.

> on the guidance computer Source for this running on the GN&C (guidance and nav) computer? Isn’t that built by the ESA?

ESA? I wonder if the OS will have to confirm that the users are over 18.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

#365

Post by pyreko »

Jaxan wrote: post #324
j16sdiz wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You don't need installing windows on surface pro -- do you?

I’ve tried Linux on an older surface pro. It sucks, pen/touch is not reliable, the device wouldn’t shut off properly which drained the battery. But I guess NASA would have the budget to resolve that.

Kinda curious what model/when you tried it. I recently picked up a dirt-cheap Surface Go 2 and everything I've tried works great ootb including pen/touch, at least with Gnome, which was very surprising. Runs way smoother than the Win11 it came with too.

From my limited understanding it seems like a few years ago you needed a separate kernel for at least that model but nowadays everything's upstreamed seemingly.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

#366

Post by eviks »

stackskipton wrote: post #41

Everyone likes to point and laugh, sure, I'm getting a chuckle as well. However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users. IMAP with Thunderbird is probably only other option that would satisfy the requirements. EDIT: Yes they need to get email in space. It's easy way to send documents…

> and very familiar to end users.

How is this a factor for the very few users going you use it? (besides, for the primitive needs familiarity is of questionable use to begin with, almost any gui email client would do)

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

#367

Post by Jaxan »

pyreko wrote: post #365
Jaxan wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve tried Linux on an older surface pro. It sucks, pen/touch is not reliable, the device wouldn’t shut off properly which drained the battery. But I guess NASA would have the budget to resolve that.

Kinda curious what model/when you tried it. I recently picked up a dirt-cheap Surface Go 2 and everything I've tried works great ootb including pen/touch, at least with Gnome, which was very surprising. Runs way smoother than the Win11 it came with too. From my limited understanding it seems like a few years ago you needed a separate kernel for at least that model but nowadays everything's upstreamed seemingly.

Surface Pro 4, it is an older model, so it cannot run Win11. Indeed I needed a custom kernel.

I’m still quite happy with Win10 though.

I’ll have a look at Linux again.

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

#370

Post by tempaccount5050 »

throwaway290 wrote: post #265
tempaccount5050 wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple Mail does not play nicely with Outlook/Exchange/M365 accounts. Everywhere I've worked had said "You can use Apple Mail if you want, but IT won't be supporting it. Outlook app only." Always issues with syncing mail or contacts.

> Apple Mail does not play nicely with Outlook/Exchange/M365 accounts. Everywhere I've worked had said "You can use Apple Mail if you want, but IT won't be supporting it. Outlook app only." Always issues with syncing mail or contacts. using apple mail app with exactly literally that. not a problem in 4-5 years. switched phones/computers recently and set up process was no glitch. just awful MS login with a bunch of lo…

Last company I had to deal with this was about 1500 users and we got 2-3 tickets a week on Apple Mail sync issues. "Switch to the outlook app, ticket closed"
Post reply on HN