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Slovenia becomes first EU country to introduce fuel rationing

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Post by toomuchtodo »

gib444 wrote: post #360
toomuchtodo wrote: post #359

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.bbvaresearch.com/wp-content/uploads/2026/04/2604... (slides 7, 9, and 10 specifically)

Yeah a lot of noise in there. Zooming in on the COVID price spike and then recovery trying to suggest it was renewables - nice try. Fact is if you zoom out 20 years Spain's prices have trended up. Your link just proves my point that while there has been an increase in the blend, it hasn't reduced prices.

You’re ignoring data and facts, that’s a choice of course.

https://ember-energy.org/latest-insights/decoupled-how-spain...

> Decoupled: how Spain cut the link between gas and power prices using renewables

> Spain has some of the lowest wholesale electricity prices in Europe, largely owing to the country’s strong solar and wind growth which reduced the influence of expensive coal and gas power on the electricity market.

Re: Slovenia becomes first EU country to introduce fuel rationing

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Post by irishcoffee »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #70
irishcoffee wrote: post #64

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You’re choosing willful ignorance if you think petrochemicals will be replaced by renewables in your lifetime. It isn’t going to happen. Planes don’t run on solar. Boats don’t run on renewables. The lubricant needed for wind turbines comes out of the earth. Dams need the same lubricant. Building roads, oil. Installing renewable infrastructure, oil. Running combines to harvest vegetation, oil. Building renewables requ…

Did you read the comment you replied to? > This is, on the high end, 20% of the use of fossil fuels. We overwhelmingly burn oil and gas. If we displaced the burning, Hormuz would not matter (or would minimally matter for a few molecules) and the world would be awash in abundant supplies.

I did. Strongly disagree.

Nobody is sending construction boats out into the various seas on batteries and prayers, to construct turbines. The foundation on which these turbines rest, in the sea, were in no way constructed with renewable energy. The cables were not build, dragged across the sea, and connected, using renewable energy. The transmission lines from the land to a switching station were not built or maintained with renewables.

I'm in boss, I'm in on renewables. Lets fucking go. I'm just not ignoring the whole story.

Re: Slovenia becomes first EU country to introduce fuel rationing

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leonidasrup wrote: post #358
tpm wrote: post #353

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That's 8-9 years of construction only.

There is a trick, you can multiple build simultaneously. Or better with a slight delay, so that construction crews (which do separate phases of construction) can move between projects and use experience gained in one build in another build. Nuclear construction requires highly skilled workers doing very high quality work. One of the biggest problems with nuclear construction in U.S. and Europe is that last significan…

> There is a trick, you can multiple build simultaneously.

That trick does not work for smaller countries which can't afford/don't need to build a big number of reactors. Or you have to outsource to a foreign builder which does not seem to be a best idea in today's world.

Anyway, the original claim was "You can put up a plant in 5 years without erroneous regulation". It's simply not possible to do that. If you depend on continuous availability of highly skilled workers, you also have to account for their (initial and continuous) training. In addition you also have to maintain the staff which does the planning and permitting.

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