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Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by Shorel »

gonzalohm wrote: post #69
haunter wrote: post #57

I usually use Linux and Windows (pretty much split 50/50) and tbh this is why I never could switch to Mac full time even though I've have had and still have several Macs at home. The full screen beahavior is weird. Is the dock should overlay every single window all the time? If not then why is the dock not hidden by default? If yes then full screen is actually "maximum size app window without overlaying the dock"? Wh…

What about the minimize and maximize buttons being swapped without any way to customize it. That one drives me crazy.

The buttons are not swapped. The close button is the one further away from the center, closest to the corner.

Same as in Windows. It just makes sense.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by gnarlouse »

Joel_Mckay wrote: post #214
gnarlouse wrote: post #7

One of my claude code projects was going to be "theghostofsteve", a social media platform where people post things they love and hate about appleOS things. Likes/Dislikes would be "genius/it's shit". And in all likelihood, the platform would surface that most users think "it's shit." The platform would aggregate by major/minor version, and you could see in totality whether the current version of macOS/iOS would make…

Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak were a team, and Jobs would regularly tell people their work was "shit" if it didn't make sense. Apple traditionally burned out its talent, and is no longer structured to follow Jobs original vision. There is a lot of goodwill with the users, but just like Sony/HP/IBM/Microsoft/Sun it can't last forever. The process-people entrench themselves, and ruin everything... just as Jobs predicted…

What does Woz have to do with it

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by andai »

kwertyoowiyop wrote: post #356
_the_inflator wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see you point, but I think that Jobs not per se held Apple together. This is Tim Cook doing as well and arguably on a way larger scale. The one thing that distinguished Jobs from the rest ever since is the fact, that he was Apple's greatest fan boy. If you have a look at the Itunes introduction, Jobs sits there and for around 2 hours showcases every feature and function. He was so into the product, that this keynot…

One wonders what Jobs would think of Liquid Glass.

"We call that new user interface Aqua, because it's liquid. One of the design goals was that when you saw it, you wanted to lick it!"

06:45

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ko4V3G4NqII&t=6m45s

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by ale »

andai wrote: post #364
kwertyoowiyop wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One wonders what Jobs would think of Liquid Glass.

"We call that new user interface Aqua, because it's liquid. One of the design goals was that when you saw it, you wanted to lick it!" 06:45 https://youtube.com/watch?v=Ko4V3G4NqII&t=6m45s

You have to realise every single UI up to that point was solid white or grey and unable to access alpha channels. And the fact that they expanded upon this design “language” with the transparent Imac cases made it all cohesive and 2YK hip.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by aquariusDue »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #139
cluckindan wrote: post #103

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Install i3wm, it will change your life.

Something I realized after spending a few months in sway (i3) and then niri is that I only care about a few windows (code editor, terminal, browser, apps I use moment to moment). All the rest I'd prefer to just summon as-needed and then dismiss without navigating away from the windows I care about. sway/niri want me to tile every window into some top-level spot. Took me a while to admit it, but the usual Windows/macO…

Yeah, I came to the same conclusion a few months back. Sadly I had to ditch KDE for GNOME due to an issue[0] specific to NixOS but after going through the gauntlet of tiling window managers and PaperWM/Niri over the years I've also settled on a traditional DE.

[0]: https://github.com/NixOS/nixpkgs/issues/126590

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by stackghost »

fingerlocks wrote: post #292
stackghost wrote: post #259

I feel like the only dude on the planet who uses fullscreen workspaces on Mac. The number of times I have noticed the corner of my windows is precisely zero because each important application gets its own workspace, so the window frame doesn't get rendered. Sometimes I'll tile two windows side by side on my external monitor but even then this is a complete non issue for me. Are you guys just running everything on the…

I asked this same question years ago in one of those threads that was all windows people complaining about cmd+tab. No responses. That means there are exactly two of us.

Fullscreen gang assemble!

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by Joel_Mckay »

gnarlouse wrote: post #362
Joel_Mckay wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Steve Jobs and Steve Wozniak were a team, and Jobs would regularly tell people their work was "shit" if it didn't make sense. Apple traditionally burned out its talent, and is no longer structured to follow Jobs original vision. There is a lot of goodwill with the users, but just like Sony/HP/IBM/Microsoft/Sun it can't last forever. The process-people entrench themselves, and ruin everything... just as Jobs predicted…

What does Woz have to do with it

Jobs often set project goals well beyond current technology, and the people around him were responsible for actually getting product out the door.

Naively asserting stuff is "Shit" and firing people that disagree with you on superficial deliverables is not a difficult role. However, teams pushing new technology out to the general public is challenging, and even Apple gambled on the wrong product at times.

Jobs was right about a lot of marketing trends, but also was a controversial character. I would recommend watching the classic interview just prior to his return to Apple, as it aged well... =3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRZAJY23xio

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by josteink »

rc_kas wrote: post #211
varispeed wrote: post #106

I've been running Sonoma and it's going to stay that way for foreseeable future.

wish I did that :(

I held out until my work MacBook got force-upgraded by IT.

I've never used my Linux ThinkPad more than after my MacBook got macOS 26.

Re: Make macOS consistently bad unironically

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Post by coldtea »

lstodd wrote: post #358
coldtea wrote: post #341

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Not sure where you're getting at. MS Word, full load to ready state after macOS reboot takes ~ 2 seconds on my M1 mac. If I close and re-open it (so it's on fs cache) is takes about ~1 second.

You, and sibling comment author just never experienced the truly responsive ui. It is one where reaction is under a single frame from action. EDIT: and frame is 1/60s, that is 16.(6)ms. I feel bad feeling I have to mention this basic fact. This was possible on 1980s hardware. I witnessed that, I used that. Why is it not possible now?

I've used 1980s hardware. In the 80s. And used UNIX and HP/Sun/SGI/etc hardware since the 90s. Not only it was no "truly responsive", nothing opened in a "single frame" (talking about X Windows). Took way longer then 1-2 seconds to open a browser on a blank page for example, and for many programs you saw them slowly drawing.
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