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Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode
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Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode
#362Since there's a lot of questions about what this means, let me explain. Anthropic has two different products that are relevant here: the Claude API and Claude Code. The Claude API has usage based pricing. The more you use, the more you pay. With Claude Code, you can get a monthly subscription which gives you a fixed amount of usage. Comparing equivalent token generation between the Claude API and Claude Code, Claude…
>> There are plugins that allow you to use your Claude Pro/Max models with OpenCode. Anthropic explicitly prohibits this.
In other words, you pay $$ for a subscription, but Anthropic has the gal to tell you what client to use with it.
Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode
#363Since there's a lot of questions about what this means, let me explain. Anthropic has two different products that are relevant here: the Claude API and Claude Code. The Claude API has usage based pricing. The more you use, the more you pay. With Claude Code, you can get a monthly subscription which gives you a fixed amount of usage. Comparing equivalent token generation between the Claude API and Claude Code, Claude…
Yep, well said and great, sharp explanation. I think we can attribute a bunch of consternation here to drift between assumed and actual licensing terms. The actual licensing terms for Claude Code expressly prohibit use of the product outside of the Claude Code harness. If you want Opus outside of CC, the API is available for your use anytime. Some percentage of the community seems to assume their Claude Code subscrip…
>We can have separate discussions about Anthropic’s use of the Common Crawl in pre-training, or whether foundation labs adhere to robots.txt conventions. But those don’t directly impact Anthropic’s right to bring litigation.
Some of us don't care for Anthropic's "right to bring litigation" anymore than we care about some scumbag patent troll company doing things "within their legal rights".
We care for the morality of its conduct, the openess of its products, and the environment it creates.
Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode
#364Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's way more nuanced, because the subscription is older then Claude Code - and they only started to have a problem with third parties using it after Claude Code. (And not with the release, just some time after the release)
That makes perfect sense because that's when it became orders of magnitude more expensive to offer the service.
To me, that argument would only make sense if the subscription wasn't metered... But it is.
Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode
#365Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this is disingenuous, people want to be able to use a tool that they pay for to do useful work on their own terms because they payed for it and don’t see the differential pricing model offered by Anthropic as legitimate.
Why would it not be legitimate?
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Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode
#366Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think this is disingenuous, people want to be able to use a tool that they pay for to do useful work on their own terms because they payed for it and don’t see the differential pricing model offered by Anthropic as legitimate.
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>What the people want is inconsequential here. The people also want to abolish copyright and freely share and download media too.
I already approved of the complaints against Anthropic here, you don't have to sell it this hard to me.
(Not to mention the blatant hypocrisy that their whole business is based on open copyright abuse - all that copyrighted training material, illegally obtained books and movies, etc).
Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode
#367Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode
#368Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Anthropic has two different products that are relevant here: the Claude API and Claude Code. No, the two relevant products are Claude API vs Claude subscription. There's no "Claude Code subscription". There's just a subscription for all Claude services at once.
Their ToS says differently. You can't argue with what's explicitly in their legal agreement.
>You can't argue with what's explicitly in their legal agreement
Sure I can. I can even contest it in court (if I had the money).
Some "legal agreements", TOS, etc. are even unenforceable and blatant abuses of the law.
And what's more, I can even consider ALL such legal agreements bogus and demand that the law changes to now allow them.
Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode
#369Since there's a lot of questions about what this means, let me explain. Anthropic has two different products that are relevant here: the Claude API and Claude Code. The Claude API has usage based pricing. The more you use, the more you pay. With Claude Code, you can get a monthly subscription which gives you a fixed amount of usage. Comparing equivalent token generation between the Claude API and Claude Code, Claude…
Claude code might be subsidized but there are other risks Like if any agent can use claude models then it exposes them to distillation risk. Where data gathered from millions of such agent usage can easily be used to train a model, making their model superiority subpar Second thing is, to improve their own coding model, you need predictable input. If input to their model is all over the place (using different harness…
They are not entitled to a moat, and their customers do not owe them one. Several companies have narrow or no moats. Dell and HP are two examples when it comes to their PC business.
This idea that companies should be allowed to lock down their products just so they can have moats, is how we ended up with printer ink being more expensive than crude oil or champagne.
Re: Anthropic takes legal action against OpenCode
#370Earlier quoted context omitted.
Before this change: Opencode decouples model (Claude) from brand (Claude Code) in one of two ways: using the subscription, or pay-per-use API calls After this change: Opencode decouples model from brand in one way: pay-per-use API calls This change fails to prevent decoupling model from brand.
Do you have an anthropic API key with money attached to that account? Do you think most people who have a subscription to Claude code have an API key for Anthropic and have money attached to that that they’re ready to spend? Do you think those people who have an API key are ready to just give it to some random application rather than being directed to a Web or application based sign on mechanism serve served by a com…
> Do you have an anthropic API key with money attached to that account?
Yes, I do. Getting a Gemini API key was annoying, but getting API keys for Claude and GPT were simple and straightforward.
The web-based redirect from a command-line tool is always far weirder and more awkward than just pasting in an API key.
Since we're talking about programmers here, they should realize that both the API key and the web-based redirect end up doing the same thing: generating a token that allows this program to act as you over the API.