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Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by SoftTalker »

tdeck wrote: post #323
GJim wrote: post #300

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We solved this by stating we would only accept applications by snail mail. Magicly, the spamming stopped, and we only had applications from good genuine candidates with a real interest in the role. The job of any technology (like email and "apply now" buttons) is to make life easier and better. If it doesn't do that, then don't use it!

Snail mail has started to break down in the USA. I remember when I was a child letters always took 3 days to be delivered. Now I've sent letters to family members that took more than a week to arrive. I imagine that makes it hard for a candidate to plan or align interviews.

Send it registered, then it has tracking. Only costs slightly more.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by SoftTalker »

stevekemp wrote: post #321
hedora wrote: post #162

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For the 95% irrelevant and 5% relevant groups, I wonder what percentage of resumes come in through a third party recruiter. I get tons of spam that could be generated by even a basic LLM based on public information about me, but for positions that are not a reasonable fit. Apparently, it is common for such cold calls to come from “recruiters” that are not affiliated with the hiring firm, but are trying to collect som…

I get at least one piece of junk mail a month: "We saw your profile on github and thought you might be a suitable candidate for our open position at $CRYPTO startup. PS you must be a US-citizen, and the job is 100% on-site" Those things seem to be blasted out with no regard for my location - I'm not looking for a developer job anyway - but certainly not one in another country. Spamming github users seems to be the la…

I get the same emails, and I don't even have a github profile.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by 9rx »

roenxi wrote: post #327
sethammons wrote: post #288

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You chose to sell the apple. The most eager and capable buyer buys it. Capitalism. You could choose to give the apple to the hungry person. You might choose that because you want their help in a different way. Or because you feel it is right. Or they are your kid. Or you give it to the strong person to have a better alliance. Or you could have the apple taken from you. You might even have more taken, like your life.…

... and then the dust settles and you discover that despite running though 7 scenarios the most any person has is 1 apple. And if one person has an apple, the other persons do not. Suggesting that affordability is not entirely a social construct. I'm on board with people getting excited about living in a society, it is all pretty magical. But affordability isn't some random social construct, it is in great part about…

> Suggesting that affordability is not entirely a social construct.

Your strange and desperate attempts to turn this off-topic continue to be recognized, but for those still reading in good faith, it was resource allocation that was said to be the social construct. Who can afford and who cannot afford something is decided by the whims of people and nothing more.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by re_chief »

nitwit005 wrote: post #8
JohnFen wrote: post #2

> If your potential employer is dehumanizing you before you’re on the payroll, how will they treat you once hired? For me, this is the key point. If a company can't even be bothered to show up for my interview -- when everyone is trying to put their best foot forward -- that bodes very ill for how I'll be treated if I were to work there.

To me the issue isn't seeming inhuman, but cost. Employers often seem happy to impose rediculous time costs on the people they're hiring: take home tests, long series of interviews, etc. What held that back is they also paid a price. Full automation leaves them free to impose infinite cost with no guarantee of anything.

> Full automation leaves them free to impose infinite cost with no guarantee of anything.

Wow, this is a great way of putting it. It's draining enough to go to third- and fourth-round interviews with other humans. Doing it with a series of AI chat bots would be devastating!

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by wussboy »

laxmena wrote: post #218

If I'm being interviewed by a bot, I see no reason not to send my own bot to represent me. It levels the playing field. I’ll probably start building an AI agent to sit in these AI bot interviews

As an interviewer who does all his interviews himself, I experience this already. I'll ask questions and candidates will answer them reading from chat gpt output. It's very frustrating and clearly the start of an arms race that must end in requiring face to face interviews and on site employment

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by egeozcan »

nikitau wrote: post #251
ssl-3 wrote: post #231

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Called the fire department's non-emergency line. Got a bot. The bot sent out someone who said the noise isn't a safety issue, and left. Called the police department's non-emergency line. Got a bot that told me it's a civil problem and that there's nothing they can do. Scouted out the fire department and chatted up the fire chief in person while he was walking back in after lunch. He was very concerned about all of th…

Great stuff. Would make Kafka blush.

There should be a unit of dystopia called Kafka, these days. Renting an apartment from a management company should be like 3-4 Kafkas. Go from there.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by SoftTalker »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #348
rafaelmn wrote: post #333

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The only reason you can "afford" anything is because other people do shit they would rather not, but do so for the money. If people could actually "afford to make choices" you'd find out pretty soon how dependent you are on others doing the dirty work for you to maintain your living standard. Like sure things aren't perfect, not everyone is compensated proportionally to their contributions, no perfect markets and you…

Your logic here amounts to "some people have it bad therefore everyone needs to have it bad". There are many situations where the world would generally be better if a relevant group of people had the option to choose to go elsewhere. When you are part of such a group and don't have that choice it is perfectly reasonable to be frustrated by the state of things.

Frustration is a clue that you need to reframe the problem.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by thesuitonym »

vidarh wrote: post #279
yetihehe wrote: post #258

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> give the advantages of the bot and be somewhat honest about it. The advantage of a bot is for owner of a bot, not for those forced to use that bot. So, owners are incentivized to lie about bot usage.

Well, there can be an advantage in a bot too, if it can actually resolve some subset of problems faster and allows for more timely escalation of what is left. The problem is of course that is far too often not how they are used.

If the bot could resolve my problems, I would have resolved it already on the website.

Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job

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Post by yetihehe »

vidarh wrote: post #279
yetihehe wrote: post #258

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> give the advantages of the bot and be somewhat honest about it. The advantage of a bot is for owner of a bot, not for those forced to use that bot. So, owners are incentivized to lie about bot usage.

Well, there can be an advantage in a bot too, if it can actually resolve some subset of problems faster and allows for more timely escalation of what is left. The problem is of course that is far too often not how they are used.

> The problem is of course that is far too often not how they are used.

The underlying problem with today's world is that people only want to solve their problem at the cost of everyone else. Everything else (like bot's, ai) is only a tool which is used on the way to enrich an individual.

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