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Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#361

1.5 hours after this was posted, Sam Altman stated openai will work with the DoW. So much for this waste of a domain name. https://x.com/sama/status/2027578652477821175 "Tonight, we reached an agreement with the Department of War to deploy our models in their classified network. "

Something doesn’t make sense here. His tweet claims he has exactly the same restrictions that Anthropic had.

You really think someone would do that, just go on the internet and tell lies?

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Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#362
post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> hardware to run them Costs a few hundred thousand per server, it's a huge expense if you want it at your home but a rounding error for most organizations.

You're buying what exactly for a few hundred thousand? and running what model on it? to support how many users? at what tps?

Not every use case is a cloud provider or tech giant.

Newer Blackwell does 200+ tokens per second on the largest models and tens of thousands on the smaller models. Most military applications require fast smaller models, I'd imagine.

Also, custom chips are reportedly approaching an order of magnitude more for the price. It's a matter of availability right now, but that will be solved at some point.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#363
We hope our leaders will put aside their differences and stand together to continue to refuse the Department of War's current demands for permission to use our models for domestic mass surveillance and autonomously killing people without human oversight.

[90 minutes later]

Ah! Well, nevertheless

OK, this is a cheap shot on my part. But still: we hope? What kind of milquetoast martyrdom is this? Nobody gives a shit about tech workers as living, breathing, human moral agents. You (a putative moral actor signed onto this worthy undertaking) might be a person of deep feeling and high principle, and I sincerely admire you for that. But to the world at large, you're an effete button pusher who gets paid mid-six figures to automate society in accordance with billionaires' preferences and your expressions of social piety are about as meaningful as changing the flowers in the window box high up on the side of an ivory tower. The fact that ~80% of the signatories are anonymous only reinforces this perception.

If you want this to be more than a futile gesture followed by structural regret while you actively or passively contribute to whatever technologically-accelerated Bad Things come to pass in the near and medium term, a large proportion of you (> 500/648 current signatories) need to follow through and resign over the weekend. Doing so likely won't have that much direct impact, but it will slow things down a little (for the corporate and governmental bad actors who will find deployment of the new tech a little bit harder) and accelerate opposition a little (market price adjustments of elevated risk, increased debate and public rejection of the militaristic use of AI).

Hope, like other noble feelings, doesn't change anything. Actions, however poorly coordinated and incoherent, change things a little. If your principles are to have meaning, act on them during the short window of attention you have available.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#364
Claude is better for much than GPT atm. You really think the government is going to hamstring the engineering of weapons and intelligence capabilities by not using it?

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#365

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Something doesn’t make sense here. His tweet claims he has exactly the same restrictions that Anthropic had.

Sam probably told them they can renegotiate those restrictions in a year or so when the drama has died down.

yeah, something shady. i don't trust sam at all.

i once ran into someone in london in 2023 who was doing their thesis on AI regulation. they had essentially ended up doing a case-study on sam. their honest non-academic conclusion (which they shared quietly) was that they were absolutely terrified of sam altman.

fear is one of those signals we ought to listen to more often

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#366
Please take this question at face value. I tend to be slightly pro defense department in this context, but it is not a strongly held belief.

What I have known is that since its very inception, Google has been doing massive amounts of business with the war department. What makes this particular contract different? I really am trying to understand why these sentiments now.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#367

1.5 hours after this was posted, Sam Altman stated openai will work with the DoW. So much for this waste of a domain name. https://x.com/sama/status/2027578652477821175 "Tonight, we reached an agreement with the Department of War to deploy our models in their classified network. "

Remember when they removed him for not being consistently candid?

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#368

The best way for AI companies to fight this would be to remind those who request this capability that the AI knows exactly where they live, where they hang out, and that any one of them can also be targeted by a rogue AI system with no human in the loop. Capabilities that they are requesting could jeopardize them, their personal assets, and their families if something goes haywire or, in the much more common case, wh…

Instead of Epsteins blackmailing disgustful human nature, it'll be rogue AIs sending selective blackmail, 24/7, to the spiteful among us (e.g. to motivate targeted killings, either by human or machine). >All of this should remain a bridge too far, forever. Hopefully Singularity will be graceful, killing-off everybody simultaneously #PaperclipMaximizer #HimFirst

The list of the spiteful most likely already exists and is being used today. All these mass media have been weaponized by various bad actors.

Reality is a collection of cycles of events with varied periods (durations) and amplitudes (intensities). Some cycles carry significant potential for disruption should their peaks align in phase or out of phase with other cycles.

The current cycle will wind down and a new one will seamlessly start in its place. Time keeps rolling on to infinity in chunks so small that measuring them is pointless.

There is no singularity. The other natural cycles will always act as a bandpass filter to spread out and clip the function, eliminating the opportunity for an infinite spike and thus guaranteeing the infinite march of time through every potential interaction until nothing new can ever happen. Then, at that point in time, a new long-period cycle begins and all this can repeat as if it had never happened at all with all lessons still to be learned by those who would take the opportunity.

Re: We Will Not Be Divided

#369
These models are weapons whether the frontier provider founders and their trite and lofty mission statements like it or not.

Private individuals and private companies do not get to create a defensive weapon with unprecedented power in a new category in the US and not share it with the US military.

You guys are batshit insane.

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