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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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> In the real world, an M5 mini will give you a decent fraction of V100 performance In the real world, the M5 Mini is not yet on the market. Check your LLM/LLM facts ;)

An LLM would have got the Markdown list formatting correct.

HN doesn't actually follow Markdown. There's no list syntax here, you need to start paragraphs to imitate it.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Yeah, in the interest of full disclosure, while Claws seem like a fun toy to me, I tried ZeroClaw out and it was... kind of awful. There's no ability to see what tools agents are running, and what the results of those tools are, or cancel actions, or anything, and tools fail often enough (if you're trying to mind security to at least some degree) that the things just hallucinate wildly and don't do anything useful.

The ZeroClaw team is focusing their efforts on correctness and security by design. Observability is not yet there but the project is moving very rapidly. Their approach, I believe, is right for the long term.

There's a reason I chose ZC to try first! Out of all of them, it does seem to be the best. I'm just not sure that claws, as an overall thing, are useful yet. at least with any model less capable than Opus 4.6 — and if you're using opus, then whew, that's expensive and wasteful.

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What is the benefit of a Mac mini for something like this?

Just commented in reply to someone else about this: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47099886

Is that it? Just access to the apple ecosystem?

I dont use Apple so guess I can save some money.

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I'm impressed with how we moved from "AI is dangerous", "Skynet", "don't give AI internet access or we are doomed", "don't let AI escape" to "Hey AI, here is internet, do whatever you want".

Other than some very askew bizarro rationalists, I don’t think that many people take AI hard takeoff doomerism seriously at face value.

Much of the cheerleading for doomerism was large AI companies trying to get regulatory moats erected to shut down open weights AI and other competitors. It was an effort to scare politicians into allowing massive regulatory capture.

Turns out AI models do not have strong moats. Making models is more akin to the silicon fab business where your margin is an extreme power law function of how bleeding edge you are. Get a little behind and you are now commodity.

General wide breadth frontier models are at least partly interchangeable and if you have issues just adjust their prompts to make them behave as needed. The better the model is the more it can assist in its own commodification.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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What is the benefit of a Mac mini for something like this?

I had a conversation with someone last night who pointed out that people are treating their Claws a bit like digital pets, and getting a Mac Mini for them makes sense because Mac Minis are cute and it's like getting them an aquarium to live in.

Pi's can be cute too tho.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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What is the benefit of a Mac mini for something like this?

It works and is plug and play. And can also work as a Mac. But getting in short supply since Apple hadn't planned for this new demand.

A mini PC is too tho.

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This is exactly why artificial super-intelligences are scary. Not necessarily because of its potential actions, but because humans are stupid, and would readily sell their souls and release it into the wild just for an ounce of greed or popularity. And people who don't see it as an existential problem either don't know how deep human stupidity can run, or are exactly those that would greedily seek a quick profit befo…

I love this. Another way of saying it: the problem we should be focused on is not how smart the AI is getting. The problem we should be focused on is how dumb people are getting (or have been for all of eternity) and how they will facilitate and block their own chance of survival. That seems uniquely human but I'm not a ethnobiologist. A corollary to that is that the only real chance for survival is that a plurality…

> That seems uniquely human but I'm not a ethnobiologist.

In my opinion, this is a uniquely human thing because we're smart enough to develop technologies with planet-level impact, but we aren't smart enough to use them well. Other animals are less intelligent, but for this very reason, they lack the ability to do self-harm on the same scale as we can.

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The DoDs recent beef with Anthropic over their right to restrict how Claude can be used is revealing. > Though Anthropic has maintained that it does not and will not allow its AI systems to be directly used in lethal autonomous weapons or for domestic surveillance Autonomous AI weapons is one of the things the DoD appears to be pursuing. So bring back the Skynet people, because that’s where we apparently are. 1. http…

hasn't Ukraine already proved out autonomous weapons on the battlefield? There was a NYT podcast a couple years ago where the interviewed higher up in the Ukraine military and they said it's already in place with fpv drones, loitering, target identification, attack, the whole 9 yards. You don't need an LLM to do autonomous weapons, a modern Tomahawk cruise missile is pretty autonomous. The only change to a modern tom…

Yes. They published a great article about it: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/31/magazine/ukraine-ai-drone...

As I remember it the basic idea is that the new generation of drones is piloted close enough to targets and then the AI takes over for "the last mile". This gets around jamming, which otherwise would make it hard for dones to connect with their targets.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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The ZeroClaw team is focusing their efforts on correctness and security by design. Observability is not yet there but the project is moving very rapidly. Their approach, I believe, is right for the long term.

There's a reason I chose ZC to try first! Out of all of them, it does seem to be the best. I'm just not sure that claws, as an overall thing, are useful yet. at least with any model less capable than Opus 4.6 — and if you're using opus, then whew, that's expensive and wasteful.

The ZC PR experience is hard core. Their PR template asks for a lot of details related to security and correctness - and they check it all before merging. I submitted a convenience script that gets ZC rolling in a container with one line. Proud of that!

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Not a great use case for Claw really. I'm sure ChatGPT can one shot a Python script to do this with yt-dlp and give you instructions on how to set it up as a service

You've gotta run it somewhere though - that's the harder part.

Not to mention, the whole point is to not end up with a bunch of one-off Python scripts for every little thing that occurs to you, right?
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