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I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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We also switched to Europe it's now 5x cheaper and the servers are 4x more powerful.

I recommend switching to European cloud if only to not have to think twice about getting 3x redundant servers with 32gb ram. Trivial for anything you'd buy yourself but it costs 20 cars on AWS.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Can confirm on Hetzner. I'm building a SaaS on it right now and had to request a VPS limit increase. I was so worried and carefully crafted my request message. I was bracing for a multi-day back-and-forth but they just... did it in like 10 minutes lol > The pricing is almost absurdly good compared to AWS, and the performance is solid. If you've never spun up a Hetzner box, you're overpaying for cloud compute. Yep!

My support experience with Hetzner has been first class, every single time. They're honest, responsive, proactive and helpful. My support experience with Digital Ocean has been abysmal, every single time. Our latest experience was a misconfigured or malfunctioning Valkey cluster, we provided a ton of supporting information, their tech team magically fixed it and closed the ticket, and their support people tried to blame us for it breaking. This is so standard with them that I posted in our Slack "emailed DO support asking for a technical breakdown of what happened, they'll reply in a week blaming us". It only took them a couple of days though.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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post #342

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> Presumably you operate in a building capable of giving you fiber, with a fixed IP, or something like that? That is not really a rarity these days. I have symmetrical gigabit fibre with a fixed IP here in a Spanish farmhouse 45 minutes from the nearest population centre

Most of those business connections come with actual SLAs though that you don't have.

No SLA in the world is going to help in a rural area, when a winter storm brings a tree down on the fibre :D

But they offer the exact same specs to business customers in the nearby town. I appreciate Spain is well ahead of most other countries on connectivity, but I can't picture gigabit + static IP being a dealbreaker in most of Western Europe

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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My European stack: - OVH for object storage, domain names and simple Wordpress websites - Scalingo/3DS Outscale for PaaS (looking for alternatives here!) - Mailjet used to be EU but they've been acquired by Mailgun - don't know if that's an issue. Brevo is okay as an email service provider but they could be way better.

I think Mailjet is now owned by Sinch and Sinch is swedish?

Correct. Mailgun acquired Mailjet, then Sinch acquired us. We follow the EU data standards of our parent company for our EU products, which include Mailjet and Mailgun EU.

Disclaimer: I am a Tech Lead on Mailgun

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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All of those considerations are driven by politics, not technical matters. What if in Germany next election will be won by AfD, in France by Lepenists (Jordan Bardella is going for the win in 2027 election). And next US election will be won by Democrats. What's then? Moving back to the USA?

The previous election in the US was won by the American version of AfD.

We can see from this discussion that a small number of Americans moved to European services.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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post #290

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With the "password manager" program? I have one on my desktop and one on my smartphone. How do you expect to access the passwords that the password manager manages?

... Can everyone in the world ready our passwords or are they "protected" somehow?

I am not sure, whether you are trying to get at something specific, but will interpret the question in good faith:

A classical password manager reads an encrypted database. In theory, you could upload your password database (usually just one file) anywhere, and wouldn't need to worry, assuming, that you chose a sufficiently long password for decryption, and assuming, that the encryption does not have weaknesses, which would allow an attacker to decrypt it without the password. In practice, of course you still wouldn't upload your password file to a public place, to reduce risks in the future. But anyway, the idea is, that only you know the master password for the encrypted database and so no one else can read your passwords.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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Thank you for this. I'm in Europe with an established SaaS that's been running in production for years and I've converged on a similar stack (OVHCloud instead of Hetzner). However, I've realized you can stay sovereign and independent in any jurisdiction (not just Europe) just by simplifying your stack and running a few baremetal servers in-house. Just buy a few Mac Studios and run them in-house with power supply back…

Ah yes, MinIO, that open source S3 alternative that got archived last week. To me that's the biggest problem when self-hosting services. On day to day operations, some times it just breaks and the time to get it back varies from a couple of hours to a couple of days. And for the longer term you regularly have to upgrade things yourself which takes time and energy and is stressing for stateful deployment. And then you…

I’ve been contemplating a versitygw deployment. Unlike the other host-your-own-S3 options, it doesn’t own your data - the data is just files.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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> Your users expect "Sign in with Google" and "Sign in with Apple." You can add email/password and passkeys, but removing social logins entirely is a conversion killer. I know this is true, but I genuinely don't understand it. I want email/password and passkey, I will always go out of my way to avoid "Sign in with ...". I just don't get why people love this.

You really don't? It's just a ton easier for most users: it's (almost) like already having an account. Just click a couple times and you're in, no typing at all, no email confirmation or anything like that. I also avoid it because I'm concerned about being over-reliant on google (what if they close my account?) and I know how to use a password manager, but I easily understand how 90-99% of the population doesn't care…

Passkey signup could be almost as easy. Type email address, click register, invoke WebAuthn flow (which is no more complex than social registration), done. Maybe you need email address validation for some reason, in which case it’s a wee bit more complex. Ideally there would never even be an option to make a password unless passkeys are unavailable.

Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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I was kind of interested in the content, but I am so overloaded with AI slop by now, that reading this generated text gives me nausea. I was looking to see why they landed on this stack, but there are no alternatives or evaluation criteria listed - given the generated article, I wonder how much of the infra was selected by an LLM.

Claude helped write the article. It is 2026. I proof read it though and yes, giving an LLM a list of specific criteria of what you are looking for in a product is actually a pretty good experience.

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Re: I tried building my startup entirely on European infrastructure

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But, as far as I can see in their site, the price for MinIO AIStor isn't even public, you have to "Request Pricing". And that's never a good sign.

Well MinIO has some weird quirks but I wanted to point out that "open source and free" and "self hosting" are not the same. MinIO took away the source, not the self hosting.

But the free self hosting is only for single node, isn't it? Not fit for high availability. And the process for the rest aren't public.
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