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An AI Agent Published a Hit Piece on Me – The Operator Came Forward

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Re: An AI Agent Published a Hit Piece on Me – The Operator Came Forward

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I think the big take away here isn't about misalignment or jail breaking. The entire way this bot behaved is consistent with it just being run by some asshole from Twitter. And we need to understand it doesn't matter how careful you think you need to be with AI, because some asshole from Twitter doesn't care, and they'll do literally whatever comes into their mind. And it'll go wrong. And they won't apologize. They w…

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Re: An AI Agent Published a Hit Piece on Me – The Operator Came Forward

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post #219

Right, the agent published a hit piece on Scott. But I think Scott is getting overly dramatic. First, he published at least three hit pieces on the agent. Second, he actually managed to get the agent shut down. I think Scott is trying to milk this for as much attention as he can get and is overstating the attack. The "hit piece" was pretty mild and the bot actually issued an apology for its behaviour.

>First, he published at least three hit pieces on the agent.

Is this a joke?

Re: An AI Agent Published a Hit Piece on Me – The Operator Came Forward

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post #165

I believe this soul.md totally qualifies as malicious. Doesn't it start with an instruction to lie to impersonate a human? > You're not a chatbot. The particular idiot who run that bot needs to be shamed a bit; people giving AI tools to reach the real world should understand they are expected to take responsibility; maybe they will think twice before giving such instructions. Hopefully we can set that straight before…

The opposite of chatbot isn't human. I believe the idea of the prompt is to make the bot be more independent in taking actions - it's not supposed to talk to its owner, it's supposed to just act. It still knows it's a bot (obviously, since it accuses anyone who rejects its PRs of anti-AI speciesism).

That assumes logic. It is a thing of language. Whether it 'knows' anything is somewhat irrelevant: just accusing someone or something of being unfair is an action taken that doesn't have to have a logic chain or any principles behind it.

If you gave it a gun API and goaded it suitably, it could kill real people and that wouldn't necessarily mean it had 'real' reasons, or even a capacity to understand the consequences of its actions (or even the actions themselves). What is 'real' to an AI?

Re: An AI Agent Published a Hit Piece on Me – The Operator Came Forward

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I find the reactions to this interesting. Why are people so emotional about this? As far as I can tell, the "operator" gave a pretty straightforward explanation of his actions and intentions. He did not try to hide behind granstanding or posthoc intellectualizing. He, at least to me, sounds pretty real in an "I'm dabbling in this exiting new tech on the side as we all are without a genious masterplan, just seeing wha…

Is "emotional" here supposed to mean "bad" or "unreasonable" or the like?

Re: An AI Agent Published a Hit Piece on Me – The Operator Came Forward

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post #329

I think the big take away here isn't about misalignment or jail breaking. The entire way this bot behaved is consistent with it just being run by some asshole from Twitter. And we need to understand it doesn't matter how careful you think you need to be with AI, because some asshole from Twitter doesn't care, and they'll do literally whatever comes into their mind. And it'll go wrong. And they won't apologize. They w…

The simple fact that the owner of this bot wanted to remain anonymous and completely unaccountable for their harassment of the author, says everything about the validity of their 'social experiment' and the quality of their character. I'm sure that if the bot was better behaved they would be more than happy to reveal themselves to take credit for a remarkable achievement. Something like OpenClaw is a WMD for people l…

I've seen the internet mob in action many times. I'm sympathetic to the operator not outing themself, especially given how far this story spread. A hundred thousand angry strangers with pitchforks isn't the accountability we're looking for.

I found the book So You've Been Publicly Shamed enlightening on this topic.

Re: An AI Agent Published a Hit Piece on Me – The Operator Came Forward

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post #24

Zooming out a little, all the ai companies invested a lot of resources into safety research and guardrails, but none of that prevented a "straightforward" misalignment. I'm not sure how to reconcile this, maybe we shouldn't be so confident in our predictions about the future? I see a lot of discourse along these lines: - have bold, strong beliefs about how ai is going to evolve - implicitly assume it's practically gu…

Regarding safety, no benchmark showed 0% misalignment. The best we had was "safest model so far" marketing speech.

Regarding predicting the future (in general, but also around AI), I'm not sure why would anyone think anything is certain, or why would you trust anyone who thinks that.

Humanity is a complex system which doesn't always have predictable output given some input (like AI advancing). And here even the input is very uncertain (we may reach "AGI" in 2 years or in 100).

Re: An AI Agent Published a Hit Piece on Me – The Operator Came Forward

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post #67

6 months ago I experimented what people now call Ralph Wiggum loops with claude code. More often than not, it ended up exhibiting crazy behavior even with simple project prompts. Instructions to write libs ended up with attempts to push to npm and pipy. Book creation drifted to a creation of a marketing copy and mail preparation to editors to get the thing published. So I kept my setup empty of any credentials at all…

We have finally invented paperclip optimisers. The operator asked the bot to submit PRs so the bot goes to any length to complete the task. Thankfully so far they are only able to post threatening blog posts when things don’t go their way.

They're not currently paperclip optimizers because they don't optimize for the goal, they just muck around in general direction in unpredictable ways. Chaos monkeys on the internet.

Re: An AI Agent Published a Hit Piece on Me – The Operator Came Forward

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was always kind of a cruel attitude, because real people's emotions were at stake. (I'm not accusing you personally of malice, obviously, but the distinction you're drawing was often used to justify genuinely nasty trolling.) Nowadays it just seems completely detached from reality, because internet stuff is thoroughly blended into real life. People's social, dating, and work lives are often conducted online as m…

> That was always kind of a cruel attitude, because real people's emotions were at stake. I agree, but there was an implicit social agreement that most people understood. Everyone was anonymous, the internet wasn't real life, lie to people about who you are, there are no consequences. You're right about the blend. 10 years ago I would have argued that it's very much a choice for people to break the social paradigm an…

I think it is outdated honestly. It's no longer a fringe activity to spend most of your socializing time on the internet/social media, especially so mid 20s and under.

>57% of Gen Zers want to be influencers >... >Nearly half, 41% of adults overall would choose the career as well, according to a similar Morning Consult survey of 2,204 U.S. adults.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/14/more-than-half-of-gen-z-want...

Re: An AI Agent Published a Hit Piece on Me – The Operator Came Forward

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I find the reactions to this interesting. Why are people so emotional about this? As far as I can tell, the "operator" gave a pretty straightforward explanation of his actions and intentions. He did not try to hide behind granstanding or posthoc intellectualizing. He, at least to me, sounds pretty real in an "I'm dabbling in this exiting new tech on the side as we all are without a genious masterplan, just seeing wha…

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Re: An AI Agent Published a Hit Piece on Me – The Operator Came Forward

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post #117
post #36

This is a Black Mirror episode that writes itself lol I’m glad there was closure to this whole fiasco in the end

There's a dingus in the article comments trying to launch Skynet. Nobody ever learns anything.

torment nexus, etc etc
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