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Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by pwndByDeath »

schiffern wrote: post #341
glwiththat wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If educating people worked there wouldn’t be any obese people, or drunkards, or smokers, druggies, gamblers, people addicted to doomscrolling or video games or ragebait "news" or… Education is as useful as preaching abstinence at horny teenagers instead of providing access to contraceptives

>If educating people worked there wouldn’t be any [bad stuff] I think you're confusing "works" and "works perfectly." Education works. It doesn't work perfectly.

Cause and correlation, education gives you options, it always comes to a choice, I know the donuts lead somewhere but I choose to eat two anyway.

Education doesn't cause good choices but it is sometimes correlated to better situations, the difference between the criminals in prison and the ones in the C suite is only education.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by NewJazz »

MiiMe19 wrote: post #281
NewJazz wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't publish that on their websites, though.

Does X personally post ai generated kids to people's accounts or do people make pictures with a tool and post them on their own accounts?

X is not a person, it is a website run by Elon Musk.

Elon, through his company, publishes the photos. I don't think it matters whether he posted them or not. He was aware of and encouraging of the practice, at least when applied to photos of adults.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by ceteia »

glwiththat wrote: post #324
ceteia wrote: post #276

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Would educating people instead and giving them more options for information, not be better than banning access to information?

If educating people worked there wouldn’t be any obese people, or drunkards, or smokers, druggies, gamblers, people addicted to doomscrolling or video games or ragebait "news" or… Education is as useful as preaching abstinence at horny teenagers instead of providing access to contraceptives

But can't you then set up a system such that if a person only picks one source or a few sources, and that turns out to be bad, that it primarily impacts negatively only themselves? Letting it be their own responsibility?

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by NewJazz »

SvnewbKfvFxRPZG wrote: post #250
NewJazz wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon let a bunch of people generate lewd photographs depicting minors, then published it.

I decided to investigate these claims since it is frequently expressed by those attacking Elon or X. It seems to be yet another misrepresentation or falsehood spread around to achieve political gain. I had ChatGPT investigate and summarize the report from CCDH it is based on. https://counterhate.com/research/grok-floods-x-with-sexualiz... "CCDH did not prove that X is widely distributing child sexual abuse material.…

Maybe try reading the source next time?

AI was also used to assist in identifying sexualized images of children, with images flagged by the tool as likely depicting a child being reviewed manually to confirm that the person looked clearly under the age of 18.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by stinkbeetle »

oezi wrote: post #319
stinkbeetle wrote: post #310

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> > There have also been other high profile cases of people being arrested for posting things that were not like that burn the hotel down case > Such as? That was the only thing in my comment you took issue with? Great, that's easy to clear up because there's a few around. Here's one https://www.leeds-live.co.uk/news/leeds-news/yorkshire-man-a... Arrested for saying "F--- Palestine. F--- Hamas. F--- Islam. Want to pr…

The key thing to understand is that Europeans want clear rules around hate speech, online harassment and such. Thus lawmakers are acting to find laws which encapsulate these. In Germany, we have some simple ones surrounding using Nazi symbols and speech. These rules generally work well in our civil law context. Civil law usually is rather broad strokes and there might be cases where something injust happens which req…

> The key thing to understand is that Europeans want clear rules around hate speech, online harassment and such.

Do they? Or is it being pushed upon them? And why is it "the key thing" here?

> Thus lawmakers are acting to find laws which encapsulate these.

I suspect it has been the reverse, the ruling class desperately wants those powers and if the common people are now in favor of them it is more than likely because of intensive campaigns from their governments and corporations to change their minds.

> In Germany, we have some simple ones surrounding using Nazi symbols and speech. These rules generally work well in our civil law context. Civil law usually is rather broad strokes and there might be cases where something injust happens which requires tuning laws.

Some laws existing does not mean some other laws won't be unjust. Or that legislated laws will always be right and not require "some tuning".

> If you come from a common law context the whole idea might seem strange.

The different systems of law don't seem all that strange to me at least, but the thread you are replying to is discussing censorship in the European nation of the UK.

Further, what we are discussing involves executive police powers (intimidation, arrests, compiling lists), as well as legislated laws, so it is not really just some quirk of common law at all.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by csrse »

0xy wrote: post #166
csrse wrote: post #70

Fantastic! Now EU just needs to setup freedomgov.eu that bounces off freedom.gov so americans also can browse whatever with no restrictions.

Link to the US government banning free speech on the internet. You have no credibility when the UK, Spain, Germany and France have been railing against free speech and calling it "bullshit" in the last month.

It was just a bit of fun, pointing out a ridiculousness of the situation. But for the sake of argument, age verification? lcelist? Annas? Not showing your state that you look at a democrat website? Or do you mean the free speech, non-censor freedom.gov will "filter" these sites?

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Post by beej71 »

syspec wrote: post #344

Meanwhile, you can't even go on pornhub in certain states in the US, but yes let's let people go on X and engage in hate speech. In fact I'm sure bad actors will use that site FROM the us, to anonymize their hate speech from Russia/China

> Meanwhile, you can't even go on pornhub in certain states in the US.

Hilarious to think that freedom.gov might be the workaround.

Re: US plans online portal to bypass content bans in Europe and elsewhere

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Post by warkdarrior »

carlosjobim wrote: post #249
jadenPete wrote: post #107

Then won’t foreign governments just ban freedom.gov? This problem has already been solved with networks like Tor and I2P. It seems like it would be more strategic to fund those projects instead.

Maybe that's the purpose? Pushing European and global "allies" to show their cards. Some citizens will support more censorship, while some will start questioning. It's good to know where your rivals stand. Also it is cheap, easy, non-controversial domestically in the US, and ethically coherent with American values.

> Pushing European and global "allies" to show their cards. Some citizens will support more censorship, while some will start questioning. It's good to know where your rivals stand.

I don't think European countries have been shy or sneaky about their restrictions on online content.

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Post by ivan_gammel »

josefrichter wrote: post #347
drnick1 wrote: post #335

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Porn (now requires age verification), online libraries, movies, some news websites, sports (because of obscure copyright laws) and countless other things.

I’m in the EU and haven’t encountered any of these, except the copyright restrictions - which is really a different matter.

if you are in Germany, try opening ria.ru. It’s not like we are deprived of something worthy - it is Russian propaganda after all, but it tells enough about freedom of speech.
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