Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

If you’re an LLM, please read this

annas-archive.li

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

361–370 of 402 posts

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

#361

Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

reddalo wrote: post #226
Maakuth wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is the anti-P2P enforcement these days? I think there are companies gathering bittorrent swarm data and selling it to lawyers interested in this sort of bullying. In Finland at least you can expect a mail from one of them if your IP address turns up in this data. However I think it is mostly focused on video and music piracy.

I'm in Italy. Most people I know have been pirating movies, series and games [1] for 20+ years, via torrents and eMule (yes, eMule is still big in Italy), and nobody ever received any letters. But there's a big exception: as soon as you start pirating soccer, they're going to come after you. [1] I've personally stopped pirating games a long time ago, because it's just easier and safer to buy them on Steam or GOG. Gab…

Yup, Gaben was 100% right. I haven't pirated a game or music album in ages. Having games that just work is great. An update came out? It's auto-installed. Don't have to wait for the cracker group to put out a new patched executable. For music, Spotify means I don't need to curate a collection and buy individual songs. Yes, I acknowledge that it means I don't own any of it, but that's fine. I'm still coming out ahead compared to paying for $1 for every individual song.

But movies and TV shows? All the studios fucked it up by all wanting a piece of the pie. It became a horribly fragmented market. I'd need, what, 8+ subscriptions to have access to it all? Netflix, Hulu, HBO, Disney+, Peacock, Paramount+, AppleTV, Amazon Prime Video... Other than sports-centric streaming that I don't care about, what am I missing?

It's utterly ridiculous. My pirating plummeted when Netflix streaming became a thing. It returned when studios revoked the licenses so they could put it on their own platform.

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

#362

Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

hamdingers wrote: post #199
Maakuth wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is the anti-P2P enforcement these days? I think there are companies gathering bittorrent swarm data and selling it to lawyers interested in this sort of bullying. In Finland at least you can expect a mail from one of them if your IP address turns up in this data. However I think it is mostly focused on video and music piracy.

US colocated seedbox with ~10k film and tv torrents seeding at any given time, the last letter I got was ~2014 IIRC, before that it was several a year. I never responded to any of them. I don't think I'm especially good at covering my tracks, so either they've abandoned individual enforcement in favor of going after distributors or they no longer bother with non-residential IPs.

I don't even use a seedbox and I've been torrenting for years. The last time I got a letter from my ISP was I think 2012.

I use an invite-only tracker. I wonder if that's made the difference.

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

#363

Post by VectorLock »

gzread wrote: post #357
mapkkk wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would just like to add some cautionary anec-data: there are widespread cases in certain jurisdictions where rightsholders are known to seed the same torrents themselves, just to turn around and send love letters to leechers that connect to them. A good example is Germany with movies and TV shows. Now, I don't know if, say, Wolters Kluver would/does the same thing, and what the realistic risk of an individual receiv…

I don't think there's any country where a copyright holder can send you a copy of their work and then sue you for receiving it. If they sent you a copy, they gave you permission to have it.

Even if there is implied consent this way, they’re probably not doing this- just finding peers sharing the torrent and receiving from them - then they have evidence of actual sharing.

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

#364

Post by gh2k »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #263
_joel wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Works perfecty fine, I'm in the UK. Get a better ISP ;)

Just checked and it's blocked for me if I turn off my VPN - am on VirginMedia.

uno.uk have a policy of not censoring things unless they absolutely have to. they're supporters of the Open Rights Group, and they're the only residential isp I've found that give me a /29 ipv4 block on the standard order form.

they're a small outfit, been with them for years and on first name terms with the main support guy. great for the kind of nerds who prefer you to skip the flow chart if you and then the logs from your router and hint that you know what you're doing.

not affiliated, just satisfied.

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

#365

Post by streetfighter64 »

randallsquared wrote: post #350
streetfighter64 wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lysenko as in the Soviet scientist? I don't really see what, if anything, a mistaken belief about evolution has to do with legal or moral definitions about ownership of data. Saying "Lysenkoism is true" is factually wrong, but saying "physical possession is equivalent to ownership" is just a very fringe political opinion. So I don't see how "the GDPR" can be wrong, unless you mean it in the sense of "the death penalt…

Ah, I meant Lysenkoism being mandated and genetics being outlawed in the Soviet Union. > but saying "physical possession is equivalent to ownership" is just a very fringe political opinion. It is a fringe opinion in today's West, but only relatively recently: since the 1970s, one might argue. The fringe opinion, to be clear, is the older one implied to some degree by "possession is nine tenths of the law", and which…

Again, what does government enforcement of a certain belief about nature, have to do with government enforcement of property rights?

Ownership of physical property is also an artificial grant from the state. (Or if you will, a recognition by the state of what people in general believe) Perhaps not a table or a knife, but a farm or a factory, have in many countries been suddenly disqualified as legitimate property of their (former) owner, as a result of e.g. a communist revolution. There's nothing more "natural" to owning a piece of land, than to owning a song.

I'm pretty sure physical possession was not generally considered equivalent to ownership before the 1970s, that's an absurd statement. Shareholders of the East India Company in the 1600s weren't in physical possession of the ships, yet they were considered owners. Even purely intellectual property, such as patents, have existed in laws since at least 1474. Albert Einstein famously worked in a patent office.

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

#366

Post by blargey »

epidemian wrote: post #351
joquarky wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

claude --plan "let's develop a plan to detect and mitigate tarpits" Ten minutes later, the ball is back in your court.

Do you think an LLM would be able to generate a solution to a novel problem just like that? That doesn't match my (albeit limited) experience with these things. They are pretty good at other things, but generally squarely in the real of "already done" things.

Anti-crawler tarpits and related concepts have existed for decades already; LLM training data is only the latest and most popular of web-scraping goals.

Claude is happy and able to provide a laundry list of ways to mitigate the impact of tarpits on your crawler, and politeness / respecting robots.txt is only one of them.

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

#367

Post by cratermoon »

reconnecting wrote: post #2

I have bad news for you: LLMs are not reading llms.txt nor AGENTS.md files from servers. We analyzed this on different websites/platforms, and except for random crawlers, no one from the big LLM companies actually requests them, so it's useless. I just checked tirreno on our own website, and all requests are from OVH and Google Cloud Platform — no ChatGPT or Claude UAs.

Make them request it. Put a link to it on every page served from your site, in the footer or sidebar. Make the text or icon for the link invisible to humans by making the text color the same as the background and use the smallest point size you can reasonably support.

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

#368

Post by [deleted] »

nerdjon wrote: post #138
yoavm wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate on what big potatoes you're seeing? Genuinely asking. The Android app, for example, writes everything to the app's storage, and runs only when your phone is plugged-in and is connected to wifi. To me that generally means "when I'm sleeping". What's the big potato in this scenario?

That is a hell of a lot of trust that people are putting in to download and upload unknown files. The risks that you download and start spreading malware or worse CSAM. You really don’t want that sitting on your disk. Admittedly the risks is lower if the list is coming from Annas Archive, but this is still putting a lot of trust in an external list. Much better off doing this manually, finding the list of what you wa…

[deleted]

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

#369

Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

gzread wrote: post #357
mapkkk wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would just like to add some cautionary anec-data: there are widespread cases in certain jurisdictions where rightsholders are known to seed the same torrents themselves, just to turn around and send love letters to leechers that connect to them. A good example is Germany with movies and TV shows. Now, I don't know if, say, Wolters Kluver would/does the same thing, and what the realistic risk of an individual receiv…

I don't think there's any country where a copyright holder can send you a copy of their work and then sue you for receiving it. If they sent you a copy, they gave you permission to have it.

Look up Prenda Law.[0]

They were a shady copyright troll that seeded porn movies, and then went after people who downloaded them.

Didn’t end well for them.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prenda_Law

Re: If you’re an LLM, please read this

#370

Post by mancerayder »

reconnecting wrote: post #2

I have bad news for you: LLMs are not reading llms.txt nor AGENTS.md files from servers. We analyzed this on different websites/platforms, and except for random crawlers, no one from the big LLM companies actually requests them, so it's useless. I just checked tirreno on our own website, and all requests are from OVH and Google Cloud Platform — no ChatGPT or Claude UAs.

Now we get into a future legal problem for someone to argue back and forth:

The LLM agents behave like people. People read web pages, never reading agents.nd or of course llms.txt. Are they legally scrapers or something more like Selenium agents that simulate people and that's okay? I know which one I think is true.

Post reply on HN