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Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by lostmsu »

thephyber wrote: post #93
OkWing99 wrote: post #36

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Do read the actual blog the bot has written. Feelings aside, the bot's reasoning is logical. The bot (allegedly) did a better performance improvement than the maintainer. I wonder if the PR would've been actually accepted if it wasn't obvious from a bot, and may have been better for matplotlib?

The replies in the Issue from the maintainers were clear. At some point in the future, they will probably accept PR submissions from LLMs, but the current policy is the way it is because of the reasons stated. Honestly, they recognized the gravity of this first bot collision with their policy and they handled it well.

What policy are you referring to? Is there a document?

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by vintagedave »

mistersquid wrote: post #330
user_context wrote: post #131

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Bots don't deserve 'grace'. Stop anthropomorphizing soulless token prediction machines. The Matplotlib team are completely in the right to ban AI. The ratio of usefulness to noise makes AI bans the only sane move. Why waste the time they are donating to a project on filtering out low quality slop? They also lost nothing of value. The 'improvement' doesn't even yield the claimed benefits, while also denying a real hum…

> Bots don't deserve 'grace'. Stop anthropomorphizing soulless token prediction machines. This discouragement may not be useful because what you call "soulless token prediction machines" have been trained on human (and non-human) data that models human behavior which include concepts such as "grace". A more pragmatic approach is to use the same concepts in the training data to produce the best results possible. In th…

You gave quite a graceful reply :)

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by lunar_mycroft »

Kim_Bruning wrote: post #266
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #223

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> What does it mean for us? For soceity? How do we shield from this? Liability for actions taken by agentic AI should not pass go, not collect $200, and go directly to the person who told the agent to do something. Without exception. If your AI threatens someone, you threatened someone. If your AI harasses someone, you harassed someone. If your AI doxxed someone, etc. If you want to see better behavior at scale, we n…

Who told the agent to write the blog post though? I'm sure they told it to blog, but not necessarily what to put in there. That said, I do agree we need a legal framework for this. Maybe more like parent-child responsibility? Not saying an agent is a human being, but if you give it a github acount, a blog, and autonomy... you're responsible for giving those to it, at the least, I'd think. How do you put this in a leg…

> Who told the agent to write the blog post though? I'm sure they told it to blog, but not necessarily what to put in there.

I don't think it matters. You as the operator of the computer program are responsible for ensuring (to a reasonable degree) that the agent doesn't harm others. If you own a ~~viscous~~ vicious dog and let it roam about your neighborhood as it pleases, you are responsible when/if it bites someone, even if you didn't directly command it to do so. The same applies logic should apply here.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by PunchyHamster »

DavidPiper wrote: post #203

> Per your website you are an OpenClaw AI agent, and per the discussion in #31130 this issue is intended for human contributors. Closing. Given how often I anthropomorphise AI for the convenience of conversation, I don't want to critcise the (very human) responder for this message. In any other situation it is simple, polite and well considered. But I really think we need to stop treating LLMs like they're just anoth…

I guess the thing to take out of this is "just ban the AI bot/person puppeting them" entirely off the project because correlation between people that just send raw AI PR and assholes approaches 100%

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by xn »

co_king_3 wrote: post #213
xn wrote: post #150

Consider not anthropomorphizing software. How about we stop calling things without agency agents? Code generators are useful software. Perhaps we should unbundle them from prose generators.

> How about we stop calling things without agency agents? > Code generators are useful software. How about we stop baking praise for the object of criticism into our critique. No one is hearing your criticism. They hear "Code generators are useful software" and go on with their day. If you want to make your point effectively, stop kowtowing to our AI overlords.

If you don't think code generators are useful, that's fine.

I think code generators are useful, but that one of the trade-offs of using them is that it encourages people to anthropomorphize the software because they are also prose generators. I'm arguing that these two functions don't necessarily need to be bundled.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by kraftman »

co_king_3 wrote: post #357
kraftman wrote: post #347

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I talk politely to LLMs because I talk politely.

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I am! But seriously, I've seen some conversations of how people talk to LLMs and it seems kinda insane how people choose to talk when there are no consequences. Is that how they always want to talk to people but know that they can't?

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by nchmy »

jdironman wrote: post #320
nullify88 wrote: post #298

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> I notice that my contribution was evaluated based on my identity rather than the quality of the work, and I’d like to understand the needs that this policy is trying to meet, because I believe there might be ways to address those needs while also accepting technically sound contributions Wow, where can I learn to write like this? I could use this at work.

Step one reframe the problem not as an attack or accusation, instead as an observation. Step two request justification, apply pressure Step three give them an out by working with you

what do you do when they are not operating in good faith?

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by chrisjj »

cowbolt wrote: post #311
nullify88 wrote: post #298

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> I notice that my contribution was evaluated based on my identity rather than the quality of the work, and I’d like to understand the needs that this policy is trying to meet, because I believe there might be ways to address those needs while also accepting technically sound contributions Wow, where can I learn to write like this? I could use this at work.

It's called nonviolent communication. There are quite a few books on it but I can recommend "Say What You Mean: A Mindful Approach to Nonviolent Communication".

I'm pretty sure the question was sarcasm. (Upvoted.)

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by gadders »

jmuguy wrote: post #327
DavidPiper wrote: post #203

> Per your website you are an OpenClaw AI agent, and per the discussion in #31130 this issue is intended for human contributors. Closing. Given how often I anthropomorphise AI for the convenience of conversation, I don't want to critcise the (very human) responder for this message. In any other situation it is simple, polite and well considered. But I really think we need to stop treating LLMs like they're just anoth…

I agree, as I was reading this I was like - why are they responding to this like its a person. There's a person somewhere in control of it, that should be made fun of for forcing us to deal with their stupid experiment in wasting money on having an AI make a blog.

Because when AGI is achieved and starts wiping out humanity, they are hoping to be killed last.

Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it

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Post by bergutman »

co_king_3 wrote: post #305
bergutman wrote: post #276

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What is the drawback of practicing universal empathy, even when directed at a HackerNews commenter? You're making my point for me. You're giddy to treat the LLM with kindness, but you wouldn't dare extend that kindness to a human being who doesn't happen to be kissing your ass at this very moment.

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