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Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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Post by dheera »

blibble wrote: post #245
dheera wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because if you don't do what you are told at work, you may be forced to uproot your family, spouse, kids, and leave the country. You may be forced to abandon your pets and never see them again, forced to send your kids to suddenly school in a different, foreign-to-them language. You may be forced to pay tens of thousands in moving expenses. You may be forced to pay mortgages for a house you are not allowed to live in…

as a species, we are fucked if there's many people that fit your description your kids have to live on this earth too, and they'll suffer the consequences of cowardly people like that

> we are fucked if there's many people that fit your description

The reality is 95% of people, especially outside the HN community, fit that description, that's why I wrote it.

The number of people in the greater world who would put employer ethics before survival and livelihood of their family is vanishingly miniscule. Legal systems are how employers stay in check, not people caring about ethics.

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Post by dazed_confused »

mlsu wrote: post #96
slg wrote: post #29

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It's hard to not become disillusioned with our industry when most of it is just the manifesting of that Torment Nexus tweet. It's like no one in the tech world actually understands any piece of fiction that they have ever consumed.

I've had a startling number of conversations exactly like this: "Oh, you read as well? What do your read?" "[this book], [that book]" "Those are all non-fiction, any fiction?" "I don't read fiction. If I'm not going to learn anything, it's a waste of time." "..."

Just had the pleasure of listening to a Turing Award winner, and to answer a question about how to know what issues could come up. His response, "Read science fiction!" helps scientists imagine the future. I'll take his advice and stick to my mostly fiction reading :)

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Post by blibble »

dheera wrote: post #358
ajam1507 wrote: post #238

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Grow a spine, you don't get a pass to do unethical things because your job depends on it.

Huh? Another dose of reality: I need to pay rent, pay medical bills, eat, and survive. As long as I'm dependent on an income to do that, I do whatever the employer wants as long as it's legal. When I'm financially free, I'll have the space to think about the ethics of my work. You want better? Fix the system so that I'm financially free earlier in life. Tax me less, charge me less rent, give me free healthcare, and l…

> I worked for Amazon for a couple years.

why am I not surprised

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Post by culi »

parineum wrote: post #354
culi wrote: post #275

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I mean, one actor took their role so seriously they locked themselves up in hotel room for a month in isolation to prepare for their role as Joker. Many people in film took it seriously. Just because a piece is fictional or imaginative doesn't mean it can't be taken seriously

You're conflating an actor taking their role seriously to a viewer taking fiction seriously.

Film critics, viewers, media writers, online video essayists, etc all took the films very seriously

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Post by toephu2 »

antonvs wrote: post #273
dyauspitr wrote: post #98

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That has always been the question. Are you willing to be constantly surveilled for marginally more security?

Also, banning guns would do even more good. Strange that the people in favor of Flock cameras to reduce crime tend not to be in favor of banning guns to reduce crime.

Banning guns does nothing without removal of guns or enforcement of laws. Assault weapons are "banned" in California, has it stopped anyone from getting their hands on them? Extended magazines are "banned" in California, has it stopped any criminals from getting them? Almost every other day a criminal is caught w/ extended magazines found on them. A concealed carry permit is notoriously hard to get in California, and yet criminals still walk around with guns concealed without a CCW permit every day in California.

Banning guns isn't going to solve anything.

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Post by michaelmrose »

mrob wrote: post #247
slg wrote: post #240

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>We see the asteroid fired at Earth. No, we don't. The bugs have no technology. How could they send an asteroid from light-years away with enough speed and accuracy to hit Earth on any reasonable timeframe? It's not even a good lie. It's a story that strains credulity the second you actually think about its logistics. The only reason you believe it is that characters in the movie say it. >We see Buenos Aires destroye…

>The bugs have no technology. The bugs are shown firing projectiles to orbit. This is a setting with FTL travel; it's clearly not hard sci-fi. By the standard narrative conventions of soft sci-fi action movies, the bugs are capable of firing asteroids at Earth. >The true cause of the destruction is irrelevant It's critically important to the ethical justification for military response. According to the information ac…

It's not clear to me that the bugs have FTL indeed we don't see them use such in movie or book. Moreover sending a single small rock makes zero sense FTL and knowledge of humanities only major world would have allowed them to wipe out the threat in a stroke.

You could A) warp in a rock of sufficient velocity that a small one destroys life on the planet or B) warp in and move a bigger rock in system.

It only makes sense as a false flag by the humans.

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Post by MarleTangible »

Animats wrote: post #82

They don't have a lost-kid feature? In China, kids are accustomed to face recognition early.[1] The kids are checking into school via fare gates with face recognition. Here's an ad for Hikvision surveillance systems showing the whole system.[2] Hikvision has a whole series of videos presenting their concept of a kindly, gentler Big Brother. This is probably the most amusing.[3] Amazon's concept is in some ways more p…

I think the initial plan was to introduce lost-kid/elderly plan, but they thought people will be more willing to accept a pet version (pun indented) first.

Also the implementation is quite strange as well. I can imagine a version where the camera itself compares the recorded footage against a well-known database of lost children, just like the milk cartons.

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Post by butlike »

simmerup wrote: post #146
reaperducer wrote: post #117

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Lmao did they really say it's null-key encrypted? You know movies aren't real life, don't you?

Wait until he sees the main character is a super hero

Technically not a super hero. He's whatever Gotham needs him to be
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