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Re: Vouch

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Post by geysersam »

andai wrote: post #139

It should just be $1 to submit PR. If PR is good, maintainer refunds you ;) I noticed the same thing in communication. Communication is now so frictionless, that almost all the communication I receive is low quality. If it cost more to communicate, the quality would increase. But the value of low quality communication is not zero: it is actively harmful, because it eats your time.

Or just don't refund it. Most people want to make contributions to open source, and everyone can afford $1. Exceptions can be made for very active contributors.

Re: Vouch

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Post by SJC_Hacker »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #342
Dylan16807 wrote: post #327

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So only CEOs will get spam, and it's effective for 99.9% of people? I would not describe that as "will not work as desired".

And it would even still work for the CEO, they would just have to charge more than $1. The real problem is we don't have a low-friction digital payment system that allows individuals to automate sending payment requests for small amounts of money to each other without requiring everyone to sign up for a merchant account with a financial bureaucracy.

> The real problem is we don't have a low-friction digital payment system that allows individuals to automate sending payment requests for small amounts of money to each other without requiring everyone to sign up for a merchant account with a financial bureaucracy.

Its called cryptocurrency

Re: Vouch

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Post by definethatforus »

tmp10423288442 wrote: post #220

What's the plan to avoid a Bluesky-like bubble from forming around Vouch projects? Say what you want about wanting to avoid politically disagreeable people, but Bluesky has been shrinking gradually since the 2024 election, as people interested in political effectiveness or even avoiding a hugbox have drifted away. Or think about how new projects are generally not started as GPL anymore (except if they want to charge…

> as people interested in political effectiveness

Ah, the giant enemy crab shows its weakpoint. This is where the mask cracks.

Re: Vouch

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

SJC_Hacker wrote: post #362
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #342

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And it would even still work for the CEO, they would just have to charge more than $1. The real problem is we don't have a low-friction digital payment system that allows individuals to automate sending payment requests for small amounts of money to each other without requiring everyone to sign up for a merchant account with a financial bureaucracy.

> The real problem is we don't have a low-friction digital payment system that allows individuals to automate sending payment requests for small amounts of money to each other without requiring everyone to sign up for a merchant account with a financial bureaucracy. Its called cryptocurrency

First you have to make it low-friction. If I want Joe Average to send me $1 in cryptocurrency, how is he getting $1 in cryptocurrency to send me?

Re: Vouch

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

nl wrote: post #353
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #339

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> No, the perverse incentive is that there will be RepoCoin, and the people involved will be incentivized to make the price of that as high as possible. Isn't this problem unrelated to cryptocurrency? There will be the US dollar, and the people involved will be incentivized to keep its value high, e.g. by pressuring or invading other countries to prevent them from switching to other currencies. Or they'll be incentiv…

Sure, but your average developer doesn't have a lot of agency in if the US invades another country in order to increase the value of the coin they got for having a PR merged. But with crypto they do. See for example all the BAGS coins that get created for random opensource projects and the behavior that occurs because of that.

The average developer also doesn't have a lot of agency with respect to how major chains like Ethereum are run either, but they can use them.

Creating your own chain just because you can rather than because you actually have a reason to implement the technology in a different way than anybody else should be disfavored and viewed with suspicion.

Re: Vouch

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Post by pstuart »

I've had a similar idea, but too many squirrels out there. I hope this works and can be embraced and extended in a positive manner for the developer community.

Re: Vouch

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Post by vasco »

crazygringo wrote: post #320
spruce_tips wrote: post #279

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I built a side project to solve this for myself that’s basically an inbox toll system. It funnels emails from unknown senders into a hidden mailbox and auto replies to the sender with a payment link. After the sender pays, the email gets released to recipient’s main inbox. Recipient can set custom toll amounts, whitelist, etc. Would be happy to share the code, just lmk!

Has anyone ever paid you? The technical side of this seems easy enough. The human side, that seems more complicated. Like, if I were your doctor or contractor or kid's schoolteacher or whoever you hadn't happened to already whitelist, and had sent you something important for you, and got that back as a response... I'm sure as heck not paying when I'm trying to send you something for your benefit.

Yeah, meanwhile a scammer will actually pay to have a seal of approval.

It's a great way to stop receiving anything that benefits yourself and only start receiving mail which could make the sender way more than $1

Re: Vouch

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Post by vasco »

AlexCoventry wrote: post #270
jt2190 wrote: post #153

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The market currently values your reading of HN comments at $0.

I'm sure astroturfers value it more highly than that.

The only way for you to be sure of that is if you're one.

Re: Vouch

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Post by jcattle »

Just a thought: Around the world, most* online classifieds pages have site-wide ways to provide feedback on interactions. Ebay has stars, Germanys Kleinanzeigen has :) :| :( etc etc.

Maybe something like this could be useful for open source collaboration as well?

*with the notable exception of craigslist

Re: Vouch

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Post by buovjaga »

swordsith wrote: post #156
buovjaga wrote: post #134

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One solution is to have a screensharing call with the contributor and have them explain their patch. We have already caught a couple of scammers who were applying for a FOSS internship this way. If they have not yet submitted anything non-trivial, they could showcase personal projects in the same way. FOSS has turned into an exercise in scammer hunting.

I'm not sure if I follow, are the PRs legitimate and they are just being made to buff their resume, or are PRs malicious?

The patches are not malicious, but the submitters are unable to explain them. We require submitting a non-trivial patch in order for someone to be considered for a FOSS internship. As there is money involved, this attracts scammers now more than ever.
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