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France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by nxm »

bilekas wrote: post #354
WhyNotHugo wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Code bases are on GitHub Not a very solid way to move away from American big tech :/

The other commenter nailed it down. But I want to add that removing dependance on US companies is not some kind of spiteful act. It's purely down to both privacy and reliability. Having private companies in the US becoming more involved with politics is fine for the US apperantly, but the EU just don't want to be involved.

As if EU doesn’t involve itself with software, policy and censorship which has its own inherent risks

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by johanyc »

DaSHacka wrote: post #259
melesian wrote: post #63

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You can be very sure that millions of Europeans and large numbers of businesses are finding alternatives.

Can we? Do you have any numbers to back this up?

Not direct numbers. But you can see r/BuyFromEU has 795K Weekly visitors. That is A LOT. In comparison, r/OpenAI has 676K Weekly visitors and r/webdev has 691K Weekly visitors.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by orochimaaru »

calgoo wrote: post #226
orochimaaru wrote: post #121

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It’s not why your big corp chooses teams and the msft suite. From a corp perspective they don’t care about your edge case. There’s only - is it good for 90% of my use cases across the enterprise? And - do I get a bundle discount? Last but not the least - do I need to expend developer resources on it vs anything else? Yeah, there is half assed stuff. But it’s not what most of the big corp uses anyway. So your little d…

Our CEO Decided to use his own phone, use zoom instead of the corporate Teams, and uses ChatGPT where the rest of us are stuck with MS copilot test licenses. I guess its good to be at the top!

Depends on company size and how much influence legal, security and asset protection have.

Usually at big corp I haven’t seen a ceo actually schedule their own calls or deal with day to day bullshit. They have a whole team of staff for that.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by tacker2000 »

shevy-java wrote: post #192

Makes sense. This software dependency that Europe has on the USA is very, very bad - no just with regards to Zoom, but literally anything. The US corporations are forced by law to always prioritize whoever represents the current US government, and the current US government will remain hostile as long as it is in charge; but even afterwards it is quite logical to assume that any follow-up government will prioritize US…

Since WW2, German national pride is something that is not very well received, added to that the old east/west divide, and the generally strong identification with ones own state/region. It is a complex affair.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by pyuser583 »

shevy-java wrote: post #192

Makes sense. This software dependency that Europe has on the USA is very, very bad - no just with regards to Zoom, but literally anything. The US corporations are forced by law to always prioritize whoever represents the current US government, and the current US government will remain hostile as long as it is in charge; but even afterwards it is quite logical to assume that any follow-up government will prioritize US…

You're basically saying Western European countries' relationships with the US haven't changed much since the Cold War.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by inanutshellus »

dylan604 wrote: post #340
sequoia wrote: post #299

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wow it reminds me of Microsoft Access, a great piece of software in terms of rapidly building an application! Does grist have forms?

I'm not an MS dev type, but I've often seen these forms questions. What made their forms so easy, or more in general what is so complicated about forms that this was even a tool so many liked?

With Access, a business doing data entry could -- with a business user not a software engineer -- craft a Form and voila, easy onboarding to train new employees instead of filling out sheets of paper and filing them.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by znhll »

dylan604 wrote: post #340
sequoia wrote: post #299

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wow it reminds me of Microsoft Access, a great piece of software in terms of rapidly building an application! Does grist have forms?

I'm not an MS dev type, but I've often seen these forms questions. What made their forms so easy, or more in general what is so complicated about forms that this was even a tool so many liked?

MS Access was on its way out by the time I started working in software, but the simplest explanation I can give about why the "forms" question is this, let's say you're a business person and...:

  * You have a huge Excel document that's basically a DB. (What Access kinda was)
  * You want users to interact with said data document, i.e add record, find/query record(s), edit records
  * You add a "form" for users to do just that. You can also add a "login" form to give some users more permissions.
It's basically if you could turn a SQlite file into a low-coded desktop app.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by mkl »

flowerlad wrote: post #305
sequoia wrote: post #299

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wow it reminds me of Microsoft Access, a great piece of software in terms of rapidly building an application! Does grist have forms?

If you want forms try https://visualdb.com/ it is another tool that aims to be Microsoft Access

Not open source though?

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by isisjcisncjanc »

input_sh wrote: post #167

Worth pointing out: France is not adopting existing open source software, they're building their own software and releasing it under the MIT licence. Most of it (or all of it?) is Django backend + React frontend (using a custom-built UI kit). Home page for the entire suite (in French) with some screenshots: https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/ Code bases are on GitHub and they use English there: https://github.com/suit…

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Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by Aeolun »

input_sh wrote: post #167

Worth pointing out: France is not adopting existing open source software, they're building their own software and releasing it under the MIT licence. Most of it (or all of it?) is Django backend + React frontend (using a custom-built UI kit). Home page for the entire suite (in French) with some screenshots: https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/ Code bases are on GitHub and they use English there: https://github.com/suit…

I like how they go to digital sovereignty on office. And then immediately turn around an host on Github.
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